Posted on 03/17/2014 5:22:40 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
*sigh* Courtney, Courtney, Courtney.....
Meanwhile I found this:
“Chris Goodfellow, an experienced pilot, offers via Google+ a very different sort of explanation. Far from carrying out an elaborate scheme, he says, the pilots may have been caught by surprise by an inflight fire, a major systems failure, or some other genuine emergency. At that point they called on the reflex nearly all pilots develop: the constantly updated awareness of where the nearest airport is, if they should suddenly need to get back to the ground. As he puts it:
We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don’t want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do.
When trouble arose, Goodfellow says, the pilots headed for what they knew to be the nearest very long runway, with an unobstructed over-water approach, on the Malaysian island of Pulau Langkawi. (Pulau means “island.”) Here’s the Google Earth idea of how the Langkawi runway might look in daylight, although the plane was of course approaching at night. That runway is 13,000 feet long — enormous.
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I rejoin the Internet after a day away to find no additional hard evidence about the fate of Malaysia Air flight 370, but a number of new rumors and possibilities. To run through a few:
1) The “Radar Shadow” Hypothesis. Many, many readers have sent in links to a post early today by Keith Ledgerwood. He suggests that the Malaysian plane might have avoided radar detection by sneaking up on and deliberately flying right next to another 777, so that radar operators would see only a single blip from this ad-hoc formation flight.
You can read the intriguing details for yourself, but the crucial points are:
The other plane, a Singapore Airlines flight en route to Spain, would not have known the Malaysia flight was right behind it, because its onboard collision-warning system (called TCAS) senses other aircraft by their transponder signals. Since MH 370 had its transponders turned off, the Singapore TCAS system would have nothing to work with — and would get no warning from ground-based radar operators, who would not realize they were looking at two planes.
Meanwhile, MH 370 could creep very close to the Singapore plane without crashing into it, because the Singapore transponders were still working, and would broadcast its position to the Malaysian plane. (Plus, in the night sky the Malaysia pilots could see the other plane’s green, red, and white navigation lights as it flew along ahead of them.)
After going as far as it wanted in the Singapore airplane’s shadow, MH 370 could peel off at some point and head toward its intended destination.
Is this possible? At this point, when no normal expectations have panned out, I suppose almost any conjecture must be entertained.
Is it likely? Or even plausible? Neither, in my view.
Apart from the general rococo-ness of the plotting, this interpretation rests on a piece of evidence that I view in a very different way from what’s implied in the post. Keith Ledgerwood notes that the two planes followed exactly the same course across a series of aerial way points (”intersections” with 5-letter names like IGREX and VAMPI) at very close to the same time. Isn’t this suggestive of something strange?
Actually, not. On many heavily traveled air corridors, planes will be sent along exactly the same sequence of way points at intervals of a few minutes. (If you listening to Air Traffic Control near a major airport, you’ll hear one plane after another receive the same routing instructions.) I view it as routine rather than exceptional that planes might have crossed the same sequence of intersections.
So maybe this will turn out to mean something — and if so, all respect to Mr. Ledgerwood. My bet is that this will be another interesting-but-fanciful interpretation, and that the cause will prove to be something else.
2) The Pulau Langkawi possibility. Chris Goodfellow, an experienced pilot, offers via Google+ a very different sort of explanation. Far from carrying out an elaborate scheme, he says, the pilots may have been caught by surprise by an inflight fire, a major systems failure, or some other genuine emergency. At that point they called on the reflex nearly all pilots develop: the constantly updated awareness of where the nearest airport is, if they should suddenly need to get back to the ground. As he puts it:
‘We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don’t want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do.’
When trouble arose, Goodfellow says, the pilots headed for what they knew to be the nearest very long runway, with an unobstructed over-water approach, on the Malaysian island of Pulau Langkawi. (Pulau means “island.”) Here’s the Google Earth idea of how the Langkawi runway might look in daylight, although the plane was of course approaching at night. That runway is 13,000 feet long — enormous.
Goodfellow’s view is notable for the light it casts on the MH 370 flight crew. Far from being villains, schemers, or the objects of a hijacking plan, he says they were in fact heroes, struggling until the last to save their aircraft, themselves, and the 237 other souls on board. Referring to the senior pilot, he says:
‘This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport....
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible....
Smart pilot. Just didn’t have the time.’
Goodfellow says he is certain this is what happened: “No doubt in my mind.” I think there’s doubt about everything concerning this flight. But his explanation makes better sense than anything else....”
It’s on The Atlantic site, under the title “Malaysia 370, Day 10: One Fanciful Hypothesis, and Another That Begins to Make Sense”.
And to be honest, Mr. Goodfellow’s hypothesis makes a good deal of sense.
So are we talking about Gilligan s Island here?
Love Beavis & Butthead!!!!
“Rock stars ... is there anything they don’t know?”
*sigh* Courtney, Courtney, Courtney.....
Meanwhile I found this:
“Chris Goodfellow, an experienced pilot, offers via Google+ a very different sort of explanation. Far from carrying out an elaborate scheme, he says, the pilots may have been caught by surprise by an inflight fire, a major systems failure, or some other genuine emergency. At that point they called on the reflex nearly all pilots develop: the constantly updated awareness of where the nearest airport is, if they should suddenly need to get back to the ground. As he puts it:
‘We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don’t want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do.’
When trouble arose, Goodfellow says, the pilots headed for what they knew to be the nearest very long runway, with an unobstructed over-water approach, on the Malaysian island of Pulau Langkawi. (Pulau means “island.”) Here’s the Google Earth idea of how the Langkawi runway might look in daylight, although the plane was of course approaching at night. That runway is 13,000 feet long — enormous.
Goodfellow’s view is notable for the light it casts on the MH 370 flight crew. Far from being villains, schemers, or the objects of a hijacking plan, he says they were in fact heroes, struggling until the last to save their aircraft, themselves, and the 237 other souls on board. Referring to the senior pilot, he says:
‘This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport....
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible....
Smart pilot. Just didn’t have the time.’
Goodfellow says he is certain this is what happened: “No doubt in my mind.” I think there’s doubt about everything concerning this flight. But his explanation makes better sense than anything else....”
It’s on The Atlantic site, under the title “Malaysia 370, Day 10: One Fanciful Hypothesis, and Another That Begins to Make Sense”.
And to be honest, Mr. Goodfellow’s hypothesis makes a good deal of sense.
Oh, and I edited it.....sorry about the repetition in the previous post!
No.....it’s a major international airport. 12,500 foot runway.
They just didn’t make it.
So Courtney Love is wrong...hmmm. (sarc) Thanks.
Where do you think this plane is?
I would think if that happened (that the plane landed safely, somewhere other than its intended destination, with no terrorism), someone would have been contacted by now.
Were they completely out of fuel? Nobody had a cell phone or an air phone they could charge?
I would think if that happened (that the plane landed safely, somewhere other than its intended destination, with no terrorism), someone would have been contacted by now.
Were they completely out of fuel? Nobody had a cell phone or an air phone they could charge?
They probably crashed. Most likely, the plane is on the bottom of the sea. They just haven’t found it yet, but sooner or later, they probably will.
Granted, the sea doesn’t always yield her secrets. So we may well never know for sure what happened.
My prayers are being answered. (That it’s never found, and that all kinds of crazies will entertain us for decades with theories.)
That island is Northwest Malaysia; if they were on approach in a burning plane, they probably crashed somewhere in the northern Malacca Straits.
They just haven’t found the crash site yet. But eventually, I think they will.
Mr. Goodfellow’s hypothesis makes the most sense, and remember what happened to South African Airways Flight 295, which suffered an aboard fire believed to have ultimately caused the plane to break up after the fire burned through the hull.
Now, to be fair, they found that one pretty quick - within 12 hours.
So there’s a mystery here, but my instinct tells me it crashed at sea and it’s just a matter of finding it.
Quite possible yes.
I don’t know much about planes but #21’s first scenario seems more likely than that second scenario.
Since jumbo jets can be used as weapons the plane has to be tracked down even if finding it is unlikely. Terrorism cannot be counted out.
Either Courtney is addled or the SF Chronicle is addled, or most likely both. The site is nowhere near Viet Nam and has been online since early Saturday, at least.
It *is* very near the spot where Malaysia originally claimed last radar contact in the Malacca Straits.
Either Courtney is addled or the SF Chronicle is addled, or most likely both. The site is nowhere near Viet Nam and has been online since early Saturday, at least.
It *is* very near the spot where Malaysia originally claimed last radar contact in the Malacca Straits.
Of course....it’s been proven all too horrifically that jumbo jets can indeed be used as gigantic, piloted cruise missiles.
So finding it, either at the bottom of the sea or in some obscure location, is definitely a top priority.
This non-expert is gratified to hear a pilot expert agrees with her belief. It is an accident.
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