Skip to comments.Why locating MH370 in the Southern Ocean is so difficult
Posted on 03/25/2014 6:27:58 AM PDT by don-o
Searching for the debris of flight MH370 in the Southern Ocean is not just a case of looking for a needle in a haystack; it is a case of searching for a needle that moves hundreds of kilometers every day in one of the most hostile and constantly changing areas in the world. +
To make matters worse, it is also one of the most remote locations on Earth. +
I should know, Ive seen this myself.
(Excerpt) Read more at qz.com ...
This one may join Amelia Earhart as an unsolved mystery.
Regardless of the sea, the plane’s pilot did some pretty crazy acrobatics. Veering several times, climbing, descending, climbing again, over quite a time span. Yet, no contact from anyone with anyone, that we know of, even though the opportunity for communication was there. There was no mechanical problem here. High mischief was afoot!
I think this is why this spot was chosen by those who took the airplane (most likely the crew). My personal guess is that they attempted to land the airplane in the water so that it would not break up (like U.S. Air on the Hudson). Sooner or later the plane would sink to the bottom of a very deep ocean in a part of the world that is difficult for ships to operate.
The whole thing smells fishy.
Because ... it’s not there?
The article doesn’t quite spell out that search planes must accommodate fuel needs for the 3000 mile roundtrip from Perth. That doesn’t leave much fuel for extensive search time per flight.
Well, that is outside the subject of the article. He’s giving us what conditions are being encountered.
How can people doubt the always reliable Malaysian government? Nothing to see here...move along. Just like Benghazi?
So the Malaysians want to get the relatives out of town and off their hotel bill, staging this "loss of all hope,"
celebraconfirmation of the insurance pay-offs, with "analysis unlike anything that's ever been done before" to reconstruct the site at such an inhospitable point on their previously-drawn arc where any actual debris or cigar butt on the ocean can move a hundred kilometers in a day, such that nothing is likely EVER TO BE FOUND.
So much the better in the Malaysians' eyes.
Curious that there has never been mention of any ELT signal or black box ping originating from this human-forsaken place. So the Inmarsat guys were working to extrapolate a position off the last two or three pings, whose only location would be one of (reduced to two) arc points, guessed to be the southern, not northern one.
Has such a steaming pile of over-extrapolated information ever been foisted on the world?
Oh, yeah, it's been fooling hundreds of millions for over a decade and called "global warming,"
The Malaysian government had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea to this location.
They wanted to place the blame on mechanical failure and Boeing, but this location means that their pilot likely did it and it will cost them dearly now.
> Why locating MH370 in the Southern Ocean is so difficult
It would be difficult to find the plane in the Southern Ocean if the plane were parked on a tarmac in Northern Pakistan or Iran while it gets a new coat of paint.
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And DB Cooper ... :-) ...
Yep ... there’s a lot of fish in the sea ... LOL ...
LOL AND DITTO!!!!
Well ... you might want to assess the dependability of Inmarsat and the AAIB (UK Air Accident Investigation Board) ... as they are the ones that put all the resources for searching, in this area — by their analysis.
To make matters worse, it is also one of the most remote locations on Earth.
Wait, are they talking about Michelle Obama's butt?
O’Reilly took a victory lap last night on his show on FoxNews, beating his chest yelling “I told you so a week ago”. I listened for a few minutes until it became apparent he was going to go on like that for the whole show.
For the sake of the people who lost loved ones, I hope the ‘black box’ is found to give them closure. It would also be sweet to prove the big blowhard O’Reilly wrong.
The only problem with your assessment is that Inmarsat and the AAIB (UK Air Accident Investigation Board) - with their analysis - puts the location of the plane in the present area where they are now searching.
Hmmm ... it sounds like he went off his Prozac ... LOL ...
+ At those high speeds, the current becomes unstable. It starts breaking up and forms eddies. These eddies are similar to the vortices you may see behind wakes in a river or the spiraling and treacherous winds that can form behind tall buildings in the inner city on a windy day.
Thanks for an interesting article.
Just found a clip with Goldberg including Fox (and the General) in journalist malpractice
“that moves hundreds of kilometers every day”
Wow, that’s a fast current. /sarcasm
Does anyone know what “2m a second” is as a rate of speed?
Why the /sarc? Are you saying his facts are wrong? That we can dig into.
Can you add something to disprove?
Oh God! Thy sea is so great and my boat is so small.
Here's a link to another page on the website of the OP with some possibly interesting Q & A.
DB Cooper is my favorite mystery.
2m sec = 120m minute = 7200m hour (7.2 kilometer/hour) = 172.8 km day = 107.136 statute miles day or 123.20 nautical miles/day
How fast Superman has to run to get liftoff.
That’s what I think too. Can’t find it in the ocean if its in a hanger somewhere.
Yep ... I was there in Portland, the night that it happened. And, you know DB got a certain distance (whether dead or alive) because of a small amount of money found near Portland - exposed by the river, many years later.
It’s still a great mystery. The last I heard, a few years ago, there was still an FBI agent “on the case”.
Yes, I saw that last night. Goldberg and O’Reilly were right about the stupid ‘black hole’ speculation. The matter is not settled though. I’d still have hope if any of my loved ones was on that plane.
Everyone think this location is now settled, but not one of these debris pieces supposedly seen from satellite has been recovered.
Its around 4.5 mph. Doesn’t sound fast...but its 100 miles a day, which can add up.
If you don’t know ocean currents it isn’t my job to educate you. Go do some research.
Thanks. So the “hundreds of kilometers” is not that far off - though “over a hundred” or nearly two hundreds” would have been better.
Because it wasn’t there in the first place, second place, or last place.
What has happened to the “To” and “reply to post #” in your replies?
The ocean eats things. It’s scary how often boats go down without a trace. The thing I’ve been pointing to on this is that it took us 6 weeks to find the Challenger’s cockpit and hundreds of cameras and all of NASA’s tracking equipment watched it happen. When you get a situation like this where basically nothing was watching when the plane went down the chances of it being found are basically zero. If it’s found it’ll be one of those random events, somebody will be doing the Cousteau in just the right place and find the tail.
Does anyone really believe that in the era of the hubble telescope, G.P.S. tracking and spy satellites that can read a license plate from space, that all the governments of the world couldn’t track or find a 300 foot airliner equipped with satellite technology? In the words of INMARSAT NOT LIKELY
Looking up - not down
Someone signal turn off
and spy satellites that can read a license plate from space,
License plate too small. Be like an ant on a football field.
that all the governments of the world couldnt track or find a 300 foot airliner equipped with satellite technology?
Kinda looks that way.
I foresee a news article a year or two from now with the headline “Could this be Flight MH370?” with photos of a 777 in some Middle East country painted in a different scheme and a blurred photo of a plane part showing a serial number specific to the lost plane.
Things disappear in the ocean all the time. Ships go down in well traveled water and never get found. A lot of the stuff you’re point too means nothing. The Hubble doesn’t look at earth, GPS requires a device to be pinging satellites, spy satellites can read lots of fine detail AFTER you know where to point them. 300 feet of plain in in 28 MILLION square miles worth of ocean (assuming it went down in the Indian Ocean like Inmarsat thinks) is basically invisible. Even if we drop it to the Southern Indian Ocean now you’ve “reduced” the zone to 14 million square miles.
This is reality not a TV show, mysteries don’t get solved in 42 minutes in reality. Out in reality mysteries often never get solved.
They aren’t BS at all. They just don’t apply to this situation. They’re useful for looking at things we KNOW where to look. We look at military bases of known enemies all the time, they’re good for that, we know where the bases are. This went down in the middle of nowhere. The last time anything interesting happened in this part of the world was never. There was simply no reason to have of our satellites looking there, even if they were passing over at just the right moment they weren’t taking pictures because pictures of empty ocean are a waste of bits. The only BS in all this is coming out of you expecting all the world to work like an NCIS episode.
>>, the water is swept along at very high speeds, sometimes almost 2m a second.
It starts breaking up and forms eddies. <<
Around and around in a circle -— at very high speeds, sometimes almost 2m a second.
They were on that plane that went down.