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Five Red Flags That Scream 'Don't Take This Job!'
Forbes ^ | 04/21/2014 | Liz Ryan

Posted on 04/21/2014 11:49:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

You can find tons of advice about how to get a job interview and how to snag a job. Most of it comes from the “Do whatever you have to do to get hired!” school of thought. The job market isn’t a job-seeker’s paradise, but it isn’t bad considering what it was like just a year or two ago. If you’re willing to step outside the velvet ropes and try something new in your job search, you can get the interview, and get the job.

When you’ve been through a job-search drought for months and haven’t had much or any interview activity, your standards can start to drop. If the drought lasts long enough, your standards may plummet. You’ll delude yourself then that any job at all is better than another month of unemployment. That’s when a job-seeker can tumble headfirst into the Vortex.

The Vortex is the place a job-seeker goes when somebody (anybody!) is interested in hiring him or her. You can lose your bearings in the Vortex. You can ignore critical signs the universe is sending you. Most of us have been there at one time or another.

I almost took a job working for a horrible woman years ago. She used most of our interview time to insult me, but she kept calling me back. At the time I thought it was strange. Now I see that the woman’s “You’re an idiot, but let’s talk again” approach made perfect sense for her, because it was very important for her to hire someone she could berate and belittle. She was testing me. After a telephone conversation where she said “Are you ready to forget everything you know and learn how to do business MY way?” I gave Miss Hateful the slip,

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1 posted on 04/21/2014 11:49:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I once turned down a job because they said they would pay for the move but i had to pack myself....turned it down as it indicated to me previews of coming attractions.

As it turned out I started my own business instead and earn 3 times what the salary with them would have been.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 11:55:55 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

I once turned one down because in the middle of my interview the owner of the company took a telephone call from his wife.

He was so nasty, loud, and condescending to her, I decided immediately that I would not work for this guy for all the tea in China.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 12:00:49 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

All sweet talk before and after the interview...but look out when your actually hired or contracted! “You don’t ask questions during our interview! It’s rude!” Been there.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 12:02:16 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anytime they say something like, “You’ll be joining our family” I run.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 12:03:56 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SeekAndFind

When your prospective boss calls you at home to explain the office politics. “There’s a rumor that I am sleeping with my office manager and there’s friction between her and the guy in finance because the rumor mill has me sleeping with him too.”

No,I didn’t take the job.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 12:08:50 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: SeekAndFind

She forgot “Lie Detector Test.”


7 posted on 04/21/2014 12:11:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: SeekAndFind

A good reason to NEVER accept unemployment benefits if at all possible. You are required to take any job offer if you are even marginally qualified.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:12:54 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I completely agree with #5 - companies asking for your past pay stubs is total bush league. I turned a job offer down from a large company years ago and took a better position because of this; I thought it was insulting. Since then I have worked with the offending company (rhymes with Mockheed Lartin) numerous times and found them to be a shining example of workplace mediocrity.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 12:13:41 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I once turned down a job because the vending machines in the employee lunch room were so overpriced I had to ask myself “Why is this company looking at their employees as a source of revenue rather than a source of profits?”


10 posted on 04/21/2014 12:13:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

In high school, I interviewed for a job at Mrs. Field’s Cookies. The manager had me take the Myers-Briggs personality test. About 50 questions in, I turned the computer off and told the guy “it’s just selling cookies,” then walked out.


11 posted on 04/21/2014 12:14:20 PM PDT by YourAdHere (I flip off all Obama bumper stickers.)
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To: YourAdHere

Yeah, some people over think things. WAY over think things.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 12:22:12 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I did two interviews with a company and then they called me back and wanted a third interview. I told them to forget it. If they couldn’t make up their mind by the second interview, then they didn’t have a clue.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 12:30:50 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: SeekAndFind

I refused a job from a big, well-respected clinic a few years ago. They asked me what my pay and benefits were at the current job. I told them. Then they offered me less pay with worse benefits. What an insult.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 12:34:58 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Company I worked for a few years back relied on JIT. The customers didn’t...Who got the blame for parts shortages...the employees.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 12:37:45 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: YourAdHere

For employment now in some places there is a new test that has some bizarre questions that are about what you value most to what you value lease....like marriage, baby, terrorist, slavery, and many others that people put value most to value least??

Don’t remember the name but it’s based on Greek mythology goddesses. I didn’t understand what it was about, but maybe it wasn’t explained properly. The guys who wrote this book got a Pulitzer prize or something, unbelievable.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 12:38:40 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: YourAdHere

A security firm I worked for was thinking of using the MMPI to screen applicants, so they had all the project managers take it. I came back as the most “normal” so they scrapped the idea.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 12:41:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Kackikat

Strength Finders.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 12:49:00 PM PDT by YourAdHere (I flip off all Obama bumper stickers.)
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To: YourAdHere

I don’t see how a list of value most and value least based on a mythical goddess could show anything like that. The name doesn’t sound like it, but maybe they think that’s the goal.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 12:51:57 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: YourAdHere

http://www.johngerzema.com/books/athena-doctrine

I looked up all the goddesses and remembered Athena as part of title, and the link above is the book for the doctrine, but the test doesn’t make sense to me as explained...but I haven’t read the book either.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 12:57:20 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: YourAdHere

When I was in college I took a summer factory job. The foreman asked me: “Do you think you could take me (e.g. in a fight)? I said ‘Yes’. He said, “I’m a big guy”. I said, ‘Yes, power thrills but speed kills’ (the Muhammad Ali line). I got the job. Weird experience.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 12:58:49 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Vigilanteman

Turned another one down because the hallways and common areas of their office were lined with cardboard boxes and shipping crates. Could barely turn around in there. Looked like the stockroom at Pier 1 Imports.

Came to know the owner’s wife ran some sort of an interior decorating business, and he allowed her to keep her backstock there. Had fears that if she came in and whined “Oh, Honey...” I’d be pressed into Saturday service spreading stucco on a wall somewhere.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 1:03:34 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
“Are you ready to forget everything you know and learn how to do business MY way?”

My last employer would say stupid crap like this. After 18+ years in the business, including a couple under my own flag, I had trouble not laughing in his face. Even worse, he was a sociopath/narcissist. He could not feel an iota for anyone else, and everything was about him and him alone. He also had this insane need to control everything and everybody. I left his nutty playground of a company as soon as I caught on to what he was all about.

23 posted on 04/21/2014 1:25:34 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A prospective employer (not so much an interview, as I knew he was hiring and showed interest in the work for a few weeks) elaborated on how his ex-wife was being stalked to the point of wiretapping etc, so - knowing the conversation would be overheard by the stalker - made arrangements to have the stalker killed if anything bad happened to the ex-wife. I decided to stay away from that situation.

Got an offer once from a startup company. Going back the next day with my then-current employer’s counter-offer, the offices were completely vacant with no sign of prior occupancy or contact info.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 1:27:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: YourAdHere

Interviewed at a well known & respectable company. Hiring manager tossed in a personality test. I later discovered he was an adherent of “Knowledgism”, a group that thinks Scientology had deviated from the true path under CIA subversion.


25 posted on 04/21/2014 1:30:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: ctdonath2
"...a group that thinks Scientology had deviated from the true path under CIA subversion."

That is awesome!
(Even more so if it's true....)

26 posted on 04/21/2014 1:36:19 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: fwdude

Have a Q: if you get laid off and you had health and other insurance, do the unemployment groups tell you that only jobs that offer insurance are acceptable for continuing the claims?

What are the rules these days? Same amount of pay? Same amount of fringes? I collected a layoff UI claim decades ago and don’t know what the current standards are, thanks in advance.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 1:44:29 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SeekAndFind
I accepted a CFO position at a small PR firm. During the interview, it seemed like everything clicked.

First day on the job, I was reviewing the quarterly unemployment insurance reports. When I saw annual turnover well over 100%, and my mind said, "been there, done that, life's too short to deal with this crap", and I walked out the door.

Now, I'm just trying to hang in there for a couple of more years, when I can start drawing SS, and not have to work in a $hitty job. It'll be nice to have that flexibility, to be able to be like Johnny Paycheck when dealing with a jerkwad for a boss.

28 posted on 04/21/2014 1:49:38 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: YourAdHere

I interviewed for a Senior PM position at a world renowned company. I targeted the company, learned everything about them I could, even taking a tour. I saw that everyone had their Strength Finders profiles on their cubes. On my resume I put both my Strength Finders and Meyers Brigg profile.

As luck would have it, I got an interview. On day one, I met with 8 people from 4 different departments. The interview lasted 6 hours. The hiring manager wasn’t there. As I was departing, the hiring manager came out and told me to come back tomorrow to meet with him and the director(s).

So, I went back the next day. That day I met with the hiring manager and 7, yes count them, 7 directors. The interview lasted another 6 hours. As I was leaving, I asked the hiring manager what the next steps were. I was told, the two teams will get together, compare notes and based on some formulas they developed they would let me know.

Sure enough, one month later I got the call. They wanted me to lead a major project valued at 20 million dollars. They already put the team together and wanted me to come in, meet everyone and do the paperwork.

I go in, sit down with the team, introduce myself and chat amicably until the project sponsor and senior management arrive. During that time, HR shows up and I get my package. All this time when I wanted to discuss compensation, I was told they pay great and the bennies will be the best in the business.

I open the package, look at my salary, close the envelope, hand it back to HR and thank them for wasting 3 days of my time to pay me what I made as a junior engineer 20 years ago. On the way out, the hiring manager chases me down and asks what’s wrong. I tell him for a world renowned company your hiring process is the worst I ever seen.

I still get Christmas cards from the hiring manager asking when I want to come on board.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 1:54:06 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Dallas59

JIT is pretty silly. Machinery breaks down and has to be repaired/ People get drunk and don’t show up for work/ delivery trucks have flat tires/ etc. Delays are an unavoidable part of life. You are always going to need a cushion of inventory to insulate the downstream steps of the assembly process from the problems that inevitably occur.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 1:58:03 PM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: caver
It's a red flag for me when they ask me (during the first interview) about the compensation I'm looking for, without giving a dollar range themselves.

The few times that has happened, I simply say, "I'm a team player, but I don't work 60 hours a week for 40 hours of pay." I get up, thank them for their time, and leave, knowing I'm not a good fit for this company.

31 posted on 04/21/2014 1:59:15 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Some employers want to get the compensation question out of the way because they don’t want to waste your time or theirs if expectations are way outside what they are willing to pay.

Many use those personality psych tests in an effort to avoid hiring thieves.

In my opinion the only thieves are the psychologists who sold them the test.


32 posted on 04/21/2014 2:04:29 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: j. earl carter

Job would be for 500...Oracle states 525. Production process wastes an average of 20. No attrition done for the last 5 jobs...No time for cycle counts and adjustments...everyone layed off...pulling jobs has priority...BINGO! PANIC when Production line shuts down.


33 posted on 04/21/2014 2:05:38 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: SeekAndFind

I dunno. When I got to the purely hypothetical question “How would you deal with a pile of human bodies using only a forklift?” I sort of figured the job was not for me.


34 posted on 04/21/2014 2:07:38 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Dallas59

Should have stated 525 of a certain component needed. Give me a verbal.


35 posted on 04/21/2014 2:11:25 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: SeekAndFind

What to make an interviewer tear their hair out - ask

Have at any time in the last two years, have to ever failed to make payroll on time?

Does this position have an incumbent?
If yes, what happened to him/her.

If no - how will you define success in this position? Ask for specifics, written is best.

The answers will be telling.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 2:14:49 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Billthedrill

My answer would be ‘were these bodies Managers here?

If the production floor had good drains, I’d use the lift to smash out all the fluids first, and flattening the footprint of said managers. Once I had them in a nice flat ‘tile’, I’d fasten sheet metal to the lift forks, then scrape them around like Risotto until I had them in a nifty pile. Then I would bend sheet metal into a U shape and transport them to the compactor.

Maybe I need a vacation.


37 posted on 04/21/2014 2:18:37 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You’re one of the funniest here on FR so you would be an asset since you need a sense of humour to get through life.


38 posted on 04/21/2014 2:28:07 PM PDT by xp38
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To: txhurl

Yeh - I think it was one of those questions where they weren’t so much interested in the answer as how much I started hyperventilating at the concept. Which, now that I think about it, was pretty cool.


39 posted on 04/21/2014 2:28:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: txhurl

LOL...Never really saw our managers...the production floor wasn’t carpeted..


40 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:07 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
“You’ll be joining our family”

Yep, that "family" garbage is a screaming red flag.

41 posted on 04/21/2014 2:30:15 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: txhurl

The rules differ from state to state. Some require that you only have to accept offers that pay a certain minimum percentage of compensation that you earned from your previous employer. I’m not sure if any insurance benefits figured into that compensation number, but that’s my take on it.


42 posted on 04/21/2014 2:35:18 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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43 posted on 04/21/2014 2:40:52 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: txhurl

Maybe I need a vacation.

_______________

I think it would do you good.


44 posted on 04/21/2014 2:49:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Night Hides Not
I've never ever been good at punting the "salary expectations" question back on my interviewer.

Even worse is when filling out an online application, I think it's entirely rude that a required field is "salary expectations" with a number before you can continue on. It's quite unfair actually, but they've got the jobs and you're looking. If you want it bad enough, you'll fill it out with something.
45 posted on 04/21/2014 3:04:21 PM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: txhurl

Should have said something like:

I would hook the 200SQFT BBQ grill I saw outside with the forklift and bring it around to the bodies.

What time do you guys do lunch?


46 posted on 04/21/2014 3:15:41 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: tenger
I've never ever been good at punting the "salary expectations" question back on my interviewer.

If you ever get a good answer, let me know. I'd love to be able to answer that question.

47 posted on 04/21/2014 3:36:07 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: xp38

Thanks, that’s kind of you to say.


48 posted on 04/21/2014 3:38:26 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Delta Dawn

You need a vacation, too?


49 posted on 04/21/2014 3:53:41 PM PDT by txhurl
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I had some clown call and want me to drive 50 miles to an interview, but he couldn't give me an idea what the pay range was. I told him I couldn't take the time to interview for a position that might not pay enough to justify the gas money/wear and tear on the car. He seemed shocked.

I've been through many weird interviews. During one, I was shown a room full of broken glasswear and told that was the "lab". Then, the interviewer --who was the only person in the building-- excused himself and vanished for 20 minutes. By that point, I just wanted to see how long he would be gone.

I had another interview where the guy asked me three different ways why someone with my qualifications was interested in the kind of rotgut job his company was offering (a generic pharmaceutical manufacturer. At the third asking, I got up and told him that he had convinced me that I was not interested. I was polite; I wanted a job and had shown my sincere interest by showing up 60 miles from home with a professional attitude, but I didn't want to be kicked around verbally. He seemed shocked, and wanted to give me a lab tour, but I had had enough.

Then there was the interview where someone was going to be hired to replace an unsuspecting slug who was going to be dumped out the door as soon as the replacement was landed. This involved ducking here and there to remain invisible. If they treat employees this way, it really makes one want to work there...
50 posted on 04/21/2014 4:07:42 PM PDT by Nepeta
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