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Boy Scouts ban church that let gay man lead troop
Associated Press ^ | Apr 21, 2014 3:00 PM EDT | Phuong Le

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:26:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The Boy Scouts of America has revoked its charter agreement with a Seattle church that refused to remove a gay troop leader after the organization withdrew his membership.

A Boy Scouts attorney told Rainier Beach United Methodist Church last week that it no longer could host troops under the Boy Scouts name.

The church has stood by Geoff McGrath, 49, a Seattle software engineer and Eagle Scout, after his membership in the organization was revoked last month, setting off an impasse between the church and one of the country’s most popular youth organizations. …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bsa; christianleft; gaychurch; gaynewsrooms; gaypride; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; lesbianpastor; manboylove; methodists; pinkjournalism; religiousleft; umc

1 posted on 04/21/2014 12:26:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I thought BSA was all for this? The church should have been the one to evict the troop leader, BTW...


2 posted on 04/21/2014 12:28:31 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Olog-hai

Good for the boy scouts, not surprising for the church.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 12:30:15 PM PDT by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Olog-hai

So-called church


4 posted on 04/21/2014 12:30:59 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Olog-hai

So now that the BSA organization is allowing gay scouts this was an obvious next step. So if they let the gays in their organization and they advance through their ranks and become an Eagle scout, how or they going to prevent them from advancing to a leadership position.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 12:37:15 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (The more you know, the more you realize that you don't know.)
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To: rjsimmon

The UMC is one of the most liberal, if not THE most liberal, churches in the country. They have no problem with homosexuals in positions of leadership in the church.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 12:37:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Olog-hai
When I had Cub Master orientation it was stressed that pedophiles were constantly trying to get in leadership positions.

One way around this is to limit adult participation to those who have, had, or will have young relatives who join. Gets away from the gay thing while qualifying legitimate volunteers.

7 posted on 04/21/2014 12:40:22 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Olog-hai

A great comment a Freeper once posted was “Why don’t they just create their own organization called the “Boy and Gay Man Camping Club” and let them seek their own members?”


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:42:42 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Louis Green, Author wrote a local book, and in it he described his Church as having a guy give communion to parish people, and he was gay. Green wore gloves to take the goblet from him during communion...the author is dead now, but he had an ongoing criticism about his church being so liberal.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 12:43:44 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: rjsimmon
I recall the announcement when the BSA lifted the ban on gay scouts that the organization was not changing its stance on leaders because the purpose of the organization was to provide opportunities for boys, not for adult leaders.

What they have yet to answer is how any scout who insists on being "openly gay" can possibly keep the "morally straight" part of the scout oath.

I'm not unsympathetic with young men who struggle with feelings of sexual identity, but I have none for the militant "openly gay" variety who expect organizations to kow-tow to their demands and declare immorality to be moral.

That's what has hollowed out many mainline Protestant sects and it will hollow-out any other organization which refuses to confront it.

10 posted on 04/21/2014 12:43:51 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AU72

Yes. The elephant in the room about BSA is that it’s all really about liability. Even if the BSA were to allow gay leaders in under an explicit zero-tolerance, no strikes policy, they’d still be liable for any assaults/rapes that did occur.

It would very quickly consume and destroy the organization ...


11 posted on 04/21/2014 12:46:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: MNDude

There would be too many chiefs and not enough indians. The perverts understand this better than anybody else.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 12:46:08 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I wonder if this is a test case being set up so that the BSA can blame the courts for having to allow gay leadership.

It seems to me that restricting membership based on shared values and belief in God is a lot easier than restricting just leadership positions.

But then again, when it comes to labor law, Christian organizations are more successful at restricting policy making leadership, rather than requiring janitorial staff to have shared values.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 12:49:25 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

I wonder if this is a test case being set up so that the BSA can blame the courts for having to allow gay leadership.

It seems to me that restricting membership based on shared values and belief in God is a lot easier than restricting just leadership positions.

But then again, when it comes to labor law, Christian organizations are more successful at restricting policy making leadership, rather than requiring janitorial staff to have shared values.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 12:49:25 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: rjsimmon
I thought BSA was all for this?

They will be, when the screws are tightened down enough.

The church should have been the one to evict the troop leader, BTW...

This "church" is run by a liberal witch of a "pastor," fully on board with the queer agenda, and willing to ignore the rules and push to the limits.

15 posted on 04/21/2014 12:53:37 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Olog-hai

You can count on the BSA “To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.”
God Bless the BSA.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 12:55:18 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: MNDude
“Why don’t they just create their own organization called the “Boy and Gay Man Camping Club” and let them seek their own members?”

Why? Because sodomites are parasites, which must invade and feed upon healthy organisms, since they have no moral health in themselves.

17 posted on 04/21/2014 12:56:43 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: BuffaloJack
This was a pretty rapid test case, only about 4 months after the ban on openly homosexual (i.e. militant) boys was lifted. Actually, this homosexual scoutmaster has been in his position for about this same period of time, so they wasted no time pushing the next limit.

And it will only be a couple more cases before the BSA will cave. They've had plenty of practice.

18 posted on 04/21/2014 12:58:48 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Olog-hai
From the article:
"The Boy Scouts of America told McGrath in a March letter that it "no choice" but to revoke his registration after he said he was gay while being profiled by NBC News."

Notice the subtle language. It's almost like they really want to accept him, if only their arm were not being twisted by some rule that prevents them from accepting his participation in the organization.

A cave is coming.

19 posted on 04/21/2014 1:03:24 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I don’t know about that. There’s St. Marks in Seattle which is Episcopalian, The Church of Christ {Pilgrims} and Lutheran. But of all things we have a First Baptist Church on Capital Hill that is very gay. The University Presbyterian Church is still straight and hosts a great scout troop.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 1:05:30 PM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: Olog-hai
Not all homosexuals are pedophiles, but a shocking percentage of pedophiles are homosexual.
21 posted on 04/21/2014 1:05:38 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: MNDude

“Boy and Gay Man Camping Club” and let them seek their own members?”

They already have that, the man boy love association.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 1:07:02 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: tanknetter
The elephant in the room about BSA is that it’s all really about liability.

Outstanding post. I never considered that. Unlike the Vatican that has the deep pockets to survive such cases, the BSA will collapse once the sexual predators create multi-million dollar judgments.

And the thing about predators is: they can't help themselves. It's going to happen. Dr. Patrick Carnes describes them as Level 3 sex addicts.

23 posted on 04/21/2014 1:45:23 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Olog-hai; GeronL

The church has stood by him. OF COURSE they did. The lesbian pastor put him up to it. Such was the news about this case several WEEKS ago.

AssPress continues to lie by omission.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 1:52:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: DannyTN

I am thinking the opposite; that the gay agenda leadership is now aiming to get entry into scout leadership.


25 posted on 04/21/2014 2:01:05 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (The more you know, the more you realize that you don't know.)
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To: rjsimmon

“I thought BSA was all for this?”

Just scout members for now I think.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 2:02:07 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: logic101.net

NamblaCamp. Has a nice whang to it.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 2:13:00 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Olog-hai

UMC can’t learn anything from the Catholic priest scandal?


28 posted on 04/21/2014 3:21:32 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Vinylly
6 The UMC is one of the most liberal, if not THE most liberal, churches in the country. They have no problem with homosexuals in positions of leadership in the church.

20 I don’t know about that. There’s St. Marks in Seattle which is Episcopalian, The Church of Christ {Pilgrims} and Lutheran. But of all things we have a First Baptist Church on Capital Hill that is very gay. The University Presbyterian Church is still straight and hosts a great scout troop.

On the issue of accepting homosexuality, the following Chrisian denominations are "all in" ...

1. United Church of Christ (UCC)
2. The Episcopal Church (TEC)
3. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)
4. Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA)

5. The Baptist Church has many flavors. Among those that are more inclusive are ...

a. The Alliance of Baptists
b. Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
c. American Baptist Churches USA
d. Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists

6. Disciples of Christ/ The Christian Church (DoC) - They are in communion with the UCC so they are headed towards going over the cliff.

7. Moravian Church - Hasn't gone all the way over the cliff, yet. They are in communion with TEC.

8. United Methodist Church (UMC) - Strong speculation that it will suffer schism over the next few years because of this issue.

29 posted on 04/21/2014 6:11:27 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Olog-hai

Mitt Romney has supported homosexual scout leaders for 20 years, and punished the Boy Scouts in the Winter Olympics in 2002.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 7:50:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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