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Texas rancher: How the federal government took my property - and didn't pay me one cent
On The Record ^ | 04/22/2014 | On The Record

Posted on 04/23/2014 7:52:44 AM PDT by Rusty0604

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, why did BLM seize the land in 1984?

HENDERSON: Well, there was a court case in Oklahoma City. And we were in the Oklahoma courts. And the judge there gave it to the BLM, even though the attorney general -- U.S. Attorney General John Greene sided with us on the Texas side.

VAN SUSTEREN: What has BLM done with this -- to 140 acres since 1984?

HENDERSON: Well, in the beginning, they didn't really want it and they asked me to file a title for it and all of that and they would get back to me.

And all of the sudden here in the last six months, they have shown back up and they are talking about taking another 90,000 acres by using my court case as the precedent to seize the other land.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why do they want it? What are they doing with it?

HENDERSON: ... They won't talk to us or be straight with us as to what their plans are. They keep talking about taking.

VAN SUSTEREN: And they seized it without any compensation?

HENDERSON: Yes. I bought the land in 1979. As a matter of fact, I borrowed a portion of the money from Farmer's Home Administration,... And they came out and inspected the land and said it was all here, surveyed it, and forced me to buy a title policy. And when we lost it, they refused to pay, even though they said that they guaranteed the title to this place whenever I was buying it and so, I have continued to have to pay for this land or the federal government would seize everything else I had. I made my last payment this January on land that I lost in 1984 in a lawsuit.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: blm
Was there any uproar about this in 1984?

Interesting, now all of a sudden, they want to grab more land. I don't understand how they got away with this in the first place. When Texas became a State I thought part of the agreement was the Federal gov't couldn't grab land.

1 posted on 04/23/2014 7:52:44 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

IIRC this case involved State border definition. Since the border is a river, it is constantly being reshaped and property lines become fluid, pardon the pun.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 8:05:41 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

If indeed your supposition were the case, then the matter would be one to be settled between the two neighboring states. Involvement by the BLM seems both unnecessary and intrusive.

To say nothing of the apparent greed.


3 posted on 04/23/2014 8:14:59 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Rusty0604

I have not seen as of yet the legal justification for the BLM taking this land. Can’t even find details of the Henderson court case.


4 posted on 04/23/2014 8:21:16 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Rusty0604

I’ll stick my neck out, and say it’s all about controlling the cattle industry by our Leftist saturated government run by entrenched Leftists in support of one of the many tentacles of the agendapus. The agendapus is of course the giant squidlike thing the Leftists celebrate, and sacrifice all the rest of us to.

The goal is to control, eliminate those nasty, smelly methane creating cattle by driving the ranchers out of business, making the price for a burger that of a steak just like they are forcing the price of gasoline up to eliminate the infernal combustion engine.

Being Leftist must be similar to having severe cataracts. I have been there, but thanks to the VA I can see again. The Leftists apparently cannot.


5 posted on 04/23/2014 8:23:41 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I’m sure the cow-hating environmentalists have put their two cents in on the issue.


6 posted on 04/23/2014 8:27:52 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Texas AG Abbott who is running for governor is sayig no way Jose is the BLM getting that 90,000 acres.


7 posted on 04/23/2014 8:33:28 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rjsimmon

Let the States duke it out. If the land is privately owned, I would think it still belongs to the owner regardless of which State it supposedly is in. If a State thinks it can legally grab someone’s land, they should at least be required to compensate the owner.


8 posted on 04/23/2014 8:34:14 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Free Vulcan

HENDERSON: The — underneath the repairing rights, the border moved with the river with erosion and abrasion. It stays sedimentary with avulsion. They claimed that it was avulsion but it was not an avulsion. It took 40 years for it to move. So, it was a slow and gradual process of erosion and abrasion (ph). But we never really made it to court. It was already decided before we could ever get to the courthouse.


9 posted on 04/23/2014 8:35:29 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Another state issue that Fedzilla has no business in.


10 posted on 04/23/2014 8:40:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Rusty0604
"Was there any uproar about this in 1984? "

The internet wasn't at everyone's fingertips back then.

11 posted on 04/23/2014 8:42:21 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Rusty0604

Removing states rights is just part of the big picture if anything of worth on the land gas oil gold silver the feds will obtain it.
Total control is the goal.


12 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:39 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: John Valentine

The BLM siezed 140 acres back in the early 80’s and Henderson lost a law suit over the matter. This is indeed the dispute I was thinking of. It involves the Red River border between Texas and Oklahoma which was an issue in 1922 when the SCOTUS attempted to settle the matter with wooden stakes in the river bank. Been discussed a whole bunch two days ago here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147020/posts


13 posted on 04/23/2014 8:49:40 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I was living here in Texas at the time and I don’t remember hearing about it, and I usually hang around people that would had something to say about it. Not in that area, so maybe you are right about better communication now.

Don’t worry, I’m sure our dear leaders have a plan to correct this./s


14 posted on 04/23/2014 8:51:19 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
What use will the government make of this land? I fail to see any benefit to the government taking this land other than to exercise its power. In the case of the Nevada rancher I think there was some nefarious purpose in wanting this land ..likely by Harry Reid and his cronies in some scheme. In this Texas case again what is the government's intent?
15 posted on 04/23/2014 9:13:44 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Heyyyyyy, Abbott!!! Take a page from Meldrim Thompson. Go to the mattresses.


16 posted on 04/23/2014 9:44:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: Rusty0604

The term “Leftists” is intended to encompass the perspectives, and goals of those on the Left involved in all the various tentacles of the Leftist’s celebrated “agendapus” including environmentalists.

IOW agree with your post.


17 posted on 04/23/2014 9:49:49 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Rusty0604
When Texas became a State I thought part of the agreement was the Federal gov't couldn't grab land.

I have heard that the BLM takes over the "Management of the land" in certain cases like intra-family disputes or in cases where the government has a compelling need.
At some point it changes to the government loaning the land to you and later renting it to you and finally to evicting you.

18 posted on 04/23/2014 9:55:02 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Does the federal government qualify as a terrorist organization?)
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To: rjsimmon

Yes, and I still dom’t see where the BLM gets a rationale for interfereing in a matter to be resolved between two sovereign states. Borders between states are of no concern to the feds except as the dispute may come before a federal court. And never a concern of the BLM.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 10:26:34 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Rusty0604

Maybe with monetary compensation and free grazing forever. That would be fair.


20 posted on 04/23/2014 10:36:17 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Rusty0604

I saw that, wish they would have elaborated more. I’m still not clear how the BLM was able to do this and why this is a federal and not a state issue. We have had the same issue here in Iowa with Missouri and Nebraska and at no point were the feds involved in it.


21 posted on 04/23/2014 7:35:58 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Rusty0604
they came out and inspected the land and said it was all here, surveyed it, and forced me to buy a title policy.

The word "title" is defined is defined in my Webster's Dictionary as ... "7. Law ... c) a right to ownership esp of real estate d) evidence of such right of ownership e) a document stating such a right; deed

There's no way in Hell that Obama's sleezeball politicians, lawyers included, can seize this land without BIG TIME PAYING FOR IT.

22 posted on 04/25/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (Looking forward to November elections.)
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