Posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:06 AM PDT by logi_cal869
I was going to post a reply to another FReeper’s post on the Bundy race non-controversy, but my comments segued dramatically into a rant, supported by a host of sources.
What's amazing to me is the abject ignorance of people on the Right, including radio.
I won't name him, but I received the following email from a conservative radio host (also does national). This is what he wrote in response to my email critiquing him on calling Bundy a "bigot" and elaborating why he's not:
"Before the militarized blm…how was it overbearing for the blm to give him twenty years, two trips to federal court…and he owes the american people a million bucks. Sounds pretty lenient to me"
He failed to address the 'bigot' comment or why he made it, but chose to address my comment about the BLM being 'overbearing' (he believes the BLM response was appropriate).
As well, non-left foreign media FAIL to do due diligence in reporting and continue to parrot total falsehoods in their 'news'. The link I found the 'bodyguard' story at was here. Pertinent quotes:
"He has refused to pay $1million taxes on his herd"and
"Officials had tried to round up Bundy's cattle and evict him on April 12 after 20 years of not paying federal taxes. However they were forced to give up after a militia of several hundred people, some of them armed with sniper rifles, turned up and threatened to open fire."and
"Mr Bundy, a 67-year-old father-of 14 and registered Republican, is accused of not paying federal grazing taxes for his cattle for 20 years, and reportedly owes the government $1million."
Not once, or twice, but THREE TIMES they push the issue that he owes TAXES.
First, everybody here knows only Congress can levy Taxes. Levied fines, regulatory fees, et all, are the scourge of Progressives (stating the obvious & preaching to the choir, of course).
Secondly, it’s not the “$1.1 million” they’re citing. That’s the BLM’s cited total, of which the principal of the $1.1 million is likely only $200,000 or so and was offered to State and/or Local government in place of paying the BLM. But an overwhelming majority of any media on ANY side is too willing to omit honest facts.
Thirdly, citing as "taxes" the per-AWU 'grazing fees' , (plus) 'penalties' and (plus) so-called 'trespassing fines' is dishonest...a LIE. The dishonesty (or, as I prefer, “Gross Negligence”) on the part of the media is overwhelming. Do an internet search on “taxes” +”bundy” and you get 1.5 million + hits on ‘news’. It’s also infectious.
Without wasting time on links easily discovered, among the transgressors (in no particular order or ideology):
Daily Mail, Forbes, US News & World Reports, Daily Caller, Townhall, CNN, Huffington Post, Yahoo, American Thinker (poster), Washington Post, Washington Times, Examiner, Morning Call, Inquisitr…to name but a few.
The worst part about the ‘Taxes’ BS and the associated ignorance is that the Summary Judgment against Bundy is that it cites not a SINGLE USC law that he violated. Not ONE. BLM regulation only & supporting court cases. If they were taxes, the IRS would have thrown him in jail a long, long time ago (related, but different topic). At least there’s a bit of sanity coming from the right and being honestly reported (albeit in minority & obscurity) and even though Livingston misuses the word ‘taxes’:
David Livingston, a Republican member of Arizona’s Legislature, was one of them. “I’ve heard that this is about a guy who’s not paying taxes,” Livingston told Newsweek. “That’s not the issue. The issue is property rights and the federal government overreaching.”
As well, on Fox’s ‘The Five’ (liberal) co-host Bob Beckel states:
“I don’t feel sorry for the guy at all,” liberal co-host Bob Beckel said. “He’s a tax dodge. He oughta be indicted.”To which Dana Perino asked:
“Do you feel the same about Al Sharpton?” Perino replied. “Al Sharpton owes $1.9 million, and the president did an event with him praising him just last Friday.”(Perino also misses the boat on the ‘tax’ issue vs. BLM ‘fees’, ‘penalties’ & ‘trespass fines’)
Again, only in minority is sanity being displayed. But that doesn’t change the fact that the left has infected people on the right with what’s been described as ‘intellectual dishonesty’. Although the term was first used here by another FReeper in a derogatory sense, I think the term is perfectly fitting when properly applied (as I believe I have done). I'm really getting sick & tired of people spouting their opinions out the wrong end out of an abundance of intellectual dishonesty. Frankly, I think it exposes their own unresolved biases…but that’s just another ‘opinion’.
Also regarding ‘opinions’, I was treated to another seemingly-biased opinion of Bundy’s so-called ‘doubling down’ on his statements when asked about it on the Peter Schiff show on 4/24 here. I was forwarded the link to the interview, but could not listen to the audio until just in the past hour (tech issues). I transcribed his remarks in just a few minutes for the benefit of ‘clarity’:
Bundy:
“You know, what I said, ‘I’m wondering’. And I know Glen Beck, he has something on the internet or news, and he uses the term ‘I’m wondering’. And when they come to me, I said ‘That’s exactly what I said…I’m wondering, if they’re better off under government subsidy and they’re young women are having abortions and their young men are in jail and their older women and their children are standing, settin out on their cement porch without nothin to do. You know, ‘I’m wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves and they were able to have their family structure together, and chickens and garden…the people had something to do. And so, in my mind, I’m wondering, are they better off being slaves in that sense or better off being slaves to the United States government in the sense of subsidy? I’m wondering. The statement was right. I ‘am’ wondering.”I can’t agree with the interpretation I was given (which stated at the least if it weren’t racist, it’s as close as you can get). I can’t agree with that at all. Bundy wasn't making bigoted comments about blacks. To the contrary, he was making a comparison of the US Government to slavery. He's not an intellectual; that's patently obvious, and he fails in effective communication. How that gets elevated to a viral infection of the Right is beyond me.
I was done commenting on this so-called ‘controversy’ before…
It’s just that NOW it’s literally ‘in my face’: The left’s seemingly-infectious intentional dishonesty has morphed into unwitting intellectual dishonesty with TWO conservative radio hosts (one Thursday, the other, who is also national, yesterday at about 2:30 pm is when I heard the remark and within an hour re the email)...WTF???
This isn’t about Bundy. Nor is this about the left or the media. This is about apparent unresolved biases & guilt of ‘more than a few’ on the Right resulting in, what appear to me to be, emotional reactions to a supposed controversy, unintentionally fanning the flames of discontent based on either intentional ignorance (listening to the ‘news’) or biased interpretations (confusing ‘insensitive’ & ‘un-PC’ with racism, intentionally or otherwise), rather than embracing their core beliefs and uniting against the common enemy.
If conservatives can’t pool resources and separate from the manufactured controversies promoted (and likely schemed) by the left, then there’s no hope…
None at all.
Hope is wearing thin. I developed education programs for the 4th largest Pooblik Skrewl Collective, programs for teacher continuing ed and programs for students.
Neither teachers not students had heard of “American Exceptionalism”.
We are about to reap what was sown by Mann & Dewey some generations ago. The poisonous fruit of the Tree Of Liberalism has ripened across America and it is unambiguously poisonous and treasonous.
The “educators” were largely collectivists for several generations, treasonous apparatchik who were the tools (knowingly or unknowingly) of American Communists. Now, their ‘professional product’ is clear to all - Commies to the Left of us, RINOs to the Right of us.
As the person who named the “Sawgrass Rebellion”, and watched Jebbe the Nutt, and the Legislature in Florida, ignore the property rights issues in the 8.5 Sq. Mile Area, I can assure you most of Gubment is avidly participating in the land grabs. FloriDUH grabbed the land to be “mitigation lands” for mining rights inh land added to Everglades National Park, but ParcMan had not purchased the mineral rights and a French mining company owned them.
Gotta protect those Rich Frogs, specially in the Everglades - ribet, Ribet!
They know land is the basis of wealth/power and they want it - all of it.
I’d suggest praying for the Republic, but Franklin summed up the subject of outside intervention to save the Republic with his famous “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
If there is to be any hope, it will be found in the Founding Documents and a citizenry willing to force Gubment into the carefully crafted cage defined by the Constitution.
For this reason, the Cliven Bundy situation gives me hope for the Republic.
The thing is there is nothing wrong with what Bundy said if you take it in the context that he intended it. But you have to be careful with the liberals because if they can, they’ll take everything you say out of context.
America is in trouble. We have been invaded by the communists that we never really quashed during my youth. Most have moved into the Democratic Party. King Obama is a perfect example. Holder is a corrupt criminal and not fit to run the justice system.
Bundy is a hero. He is rugged and plain speaking. He is not a racist but understands that the Federal Government is totally out of control and is being occupied by idiots that have reduced America to master slave empire. The Federal Government is the master and Bundy is right, the more it grows the more it will use its power to reduce us to slavery. ALL OF US! Millions of blacks have already been caught up in its web.
I hope some day I'll see our God given Constitution back to its people.
WOOHOO! You mean I get a pass as some “old white guy”? And, I now have the “luxury” of screaming elder abuse if somebody attacks me. Dang, life is good. LOL! Maybe Mr. Bundy could charge some of his detractors with elder abuse.
The real issue isn’t going anywhere.
Government land grabs are not going to fly with the American people.
Why would a bureaucrat or an internet troll fool themselves into thinking lies and caricatures can defeat the truth?
Certainly seperates the ‘wheat from the chaff’ during times like these. Good to know who the frauds are.
Because it’s working, so far, with Obama.
EXACTLY!Whatever Mr. Bundy says about ANYTHING is beside the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For what it’s worth I agree with you completely. All those “intelligent” talking heads don’t or won’t take the time to do their research before they spout off. Uninformed or misinformed is their hallmark. If you don’t know the (accurate) history of this country you can’t reach intelligent conclusions when questions arise.
May I suggest toning down your efforts to kill hope?
My sentiments exactly.
I would also suggest to you sir, with respect. Try to minimize your efforts to paint the situation as hopeless.
As far as I can guess, the only ones with a strong desire to claim big government victory is big government.
It depends if you’ve become a public figure or not. Bundy has become one, and as I understand it, he hasn’t exactly shied away from interviews.
Would you tell this radio host to look up the history of “common land” use and public right to graze in English law..also the act of “enclosure”...it is not BLM owned land it is not the federal government private land ..it is public waste land that has be historical graze and there is a looooong acknowledged tradition in law for the public grazing of animals on public common waste land...and “enclosure” the act of fencing off or blocking access to graze is the step to convert public land to private land..it a big deal that has be the start of wars and rebellion.
And at the same time accuse us of taking remarks of some of them out of context! I actually heard a woman in my neighborhood defend Rev. Jeremiah Wright this way when I lived in Seattle.
I didn’t say it was hopeless. I’m just saying that there are a lot of ignorant people on both sides, who jump to conclusions and won’t stand up for the truth if there’s any chance it will make them look bad. And we have plenty of them on our side, which is sad.
It’s okay on urban talk radio and in rap music. Just don’t YOU say it. You never “suffered” like “they” did so you can’t talk about it.
well said. It is why I keep preaching singleness of purpose
you’re on the right track.
the main points are
1. you can’t trust any of the media. they have their own agenda and game. including hannity, beck, etc. it’s not conservative. as you say, they are deluded thinking they can play the left’s game or they are flatly dishonest.
2. you can’t win in the media, so as bundy has done, you need to put on the armor of Truth as you are given the insight via God to see it, and let the chips fall where they may. In other words, put aside fear of what they will think; and assume the media is lying by commission and ommission; ignore all of it except as an intelligence gathering exercise. talk honestly over the media. you’ll find the conservative audience and they are all that matters.
3. true conservatives are on their own in this country and need to organize in small groups and as individuals separate from all existing, “infected,” institutions as you call them.
4. true conservatives need to put their trust in God and stop trying to out think the leftists at their own games. it’s largely a waste of time.
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