Posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:06 AM PDT by logi_cal869
I was going to post a reply to another FReeper’s post on the Bundy race non-controversy, but my comments segued dramatically into a rant, supported by a host of sources.
What's amazing to me is the abject ignorance of people on the Right, including radio.
I won't name him, but I received the following email from a conservative radio host (also does national). This is what he wrote in response to my email critiquing him on calling Bundy a "bigot" and elaborating why he's not:
"Before the militarized blm…how was it overbearing for the blm to give him twenty years, two trips to federal court…and he owes the american people a million bucks. Sounds pretty lenient to me"
He failed to address the 'bigot' comment or why he made it, but chose to address my comment about the BLM being 'overbearing' (he believes the BLM response was appropriate).
As well, non-left foreign media FAIL to do due diligence in reporting and continue to parrot total falsehoods in their 'news'. The link I found the 'bodyguard' story at was here. Pertinent quotes:
"He has refused to pay $1million taxes on his herd"and
"Officials had tried to round up Bundy's cattle and evict him on April 12 after 20 years of not paying federal taxes. However they were forced to give up after a militia of several hundred people, some of them armed with sniper rifles, turned up and threatened to open fire."and
"Mr Bundy, a 67-year-old father-of 14 and registered Republican, is accused of not paying federal grazing taxes for his cattle for 20 years, and reportedly owes the government $1million."
Not once, or twice, but THREE TIMES they push the issue that he owes TAXES.
First, everybody here knows only Congress can levy Taxes. Levied fines, regulatory fees, et all, are the scourge of Progressives (stating the obvious & preaching to the choir, of course).
Secondly, it’s not the “$1.1 million” they’re citing. That’s the BLM’s cited total, of which the principal of the $1.1 million is likely only $200,000 or so and was offered to State and/or Local government in place of paying the BLM. But an overwhelming majority of any media on ANY side is too willing to omit honest facts.
Thirdly, citing as "taxes" the per-AWU 'grazing fees' , (plus) 'penalties' and (plus) so-called 'trespassing fines' is dishonest...a LIE. The dishonesty (or, as I prefer, “Gross Negligence”) on the part of the media is overwhelming. Do an internet search on “taxes” +”bundy” and you get 1.5 million + hits on ‘news’. It’s also infectious.
Without wasting time on links easily discovered, among the transgressors (in no particular order or ideology):
Daily Mail, Forbes, US News & World Reports, Daily Caller, Townhall, CNN, Huffington Post, Yahoo, American Thinker (poster), Washington Post, Washington Times, Examiner, Morning Call, Inquisitr…to name but a few.
The worst part about the ‘Taxes’ BS and the associated ignorance is that the Summary Judgment against Bundy is that it cites not a SINGLE USC law that he violated. Not ONE. BLM regulation only & supporting court cases. If they were taxes, the IRS would have thrown him in jail a long, long time ago (related, but different topic). At least there’s a bit of sanity coming from the right and being honestly reported (albeit in minority & obscurity) and even though Livingston misuses the word ‘taxes’:
David Livingston, a Republican member of Arizona’s Legislature, was one of them. “I’ve heard that this is about a guy who’s not paying taxes,” Livingston told Newsweek. “That’s not the issue. The issue is property rights and the federal government overreaching.”
As well, on Fox’s ‘The Five’ (liberal) co-host Bob Beckel states:
“I don’t feel sorry for the guy at all,” liberal co-host Bob Beckel said. “He’s a tax dodge. He oughta be indicted.”To which Dana Perino asked:
“Do you feel the same about Al Sharpton?” Perino replied. “Al Sharpton owes $1.9 million, and the president did an event with him praising him just last Friday.”(Perino also misses the boat on the ‘tax’ issue vs. BLM ‘fees’, ‘penalties’ & ‘trespass fines’)
Again, only in minority is sanity being displayed. But that doesn’t change the fact that the left has infected people on the right with what’s been described as ‘intellectual dishonesty’. Although the term was first used here by another FReeper in a derogatory sense, I think the term is perfectly fitting when properly applied (as I believe I have done). I'm really getting sick & tired of people spouting their opinions out the wrong end out of an abundance of intellectual dishonesty. Frankly, I think it exposes their own unresolved biases…but that’s just another ‘opinion’.
Also regarding ‘opinions’, I was treated to another seemingly-biased opinion of Bundy’s so-called ‘doubling down’ on his statements when asked about it on the Peter Schiff show on 4/24 here. I was forwarded the link to the interview, but could not listen to the audio until just in the past hour (tech issues). I transcribed his remarks in just a few minutes for the benefit of ‘clarity’:
Bundy:
“You know, what I said, ‘I’m wondering’. And I know Glen Beck, he has something on the internet or news, and he uses the term ‘I’m wondering’. And when they come to me, I said ‘That’s exactly what I said…I’m wondering, if they’re better off under government subsidy and they’re young women are having abortions and their young men are in jail and their older women and their children are standing, settin out on their cement porch without nothin to do. You know, ‘I’m wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves and they were able to have their family structure together, and chickens and garden…the people had something to do. And so, in my mind, I’m wondering, are they better off being slaves in that sense or better off being slaves to the United States government in the sense of subsidy? I’m wondering. The statement was right. I ‘am’ wondering.”I can’t agree with the interpretation I was given (which stated at the least if it weren’t racist, it’s as close as you can get). I can’t agree with that at all. Bundy wasn't making bigoted comments about blacks. To the contrary, he was making a comparison of the US Government to slavery. He's not an intellectual; that's patently obvious, and he fails in effective communication. How that gets elevated to a viral infection of the Right is beyond me.
I was done commenting on this so-called ‘controversy’ before…
It’s just that NOW it’s literally ‘in my face’: The left’s seemingly-infectious intentional dishonesty has morphed into unwitting intellectual dishonesty with TWO conservative radio hosts (one Thursday, the other, who is also national, yesterday at about 2:30 pm is when I heard the remark and within an hour re the email)...WTF???
This isn’t about Bundy. Nor is this about the left or the media. This is about apparent unresolved biases & guilt of ‘more than a few’ on the Right resulting in, what appear to me to be, emotional reactions to a supposed controversy, unintentionally fanning the flames of discontent based on either intentional ignorance (listening to the ‘news’) or biased interpretations (confusing ‘insensitive’ & ‘un-PC’ with racism, intentionally or otherwise), rather than embracing their core beliefs and uniting against the common enemy.
If conservatives can’t pool resources and separate from the manufactured controversies promoted (and likely schemed) by the left, then there’s no hope…
None at all.
Don’t you know about the executive order which allows elderly people a pass on being politically correct??? ;/
I need to go to the federal register and print that rascal out to put in with my pocket constitution. WOO HOO!
I think its pretty clear he didn't intend his comparison to slavery to be taken literally.
Anything Mr. Bundy said would have been wrong. He could have said, “ The sun is shining” and that would have been twisted by the usual parrots into, “He is racists”.
“Bundy chose his words poorly”
No he did not. He said what he thought and got the point across to anyone that wasn’t checking their Politically Correct Handbook looking for “offensive words or phrases”.
Why are so many people just buying into all this infringement of our language dictated by the liberal left? Everyone has been indoctrinated and they don’t even realize it.
Got it.
Just remember, the opposition is on this website, and normal Freepers need to avoid doing what the opposition wants to do—destroy morale.
Yes, thanks for proving my point.
I sympathize with Bundy but he wouldn’t know a “rhetorical device - exuscitatio” if it bit him in the ass.
Here’s how to recognize Cass Sunstein class of troll posting pattern:
They will use bits of truth mixed with bits of falsehood. There is no other way for them to operate (and this is a gaping weakness).
It’s because their ideology consists in lies. It will ultimately defeat them.
Reminds me of the joke where the guy tells the psychiatrist, “Doc, I can’t shake this feeling of nameless dread.” The psychiatrist tells him, “Don’t worry about that, we have a name for everything.”
And so it is with Rhetoric.
IMO guys like Hannity and Beck have marginalized themselves by going along with the libtard party smear. They are being left behind as the freedom movement heats up. Nobody is really listening to them anymore.
That, my FRiend, says it all.
Indeed! As best he could and his point is valid.
Wow, I hadn’t seen that guy’s whole statement until now. Talk about well said. Bravo to him.
PC is insidious because it squelches uncomfortable truths that must be spoken and understood in order for true progress to be made.
Here’s my dime:
1. I will stand with Mr. Bundy, period.
2. Mr. Bundy has his right to think and say what he believes, even if it means rubbing your nose, in his shorts! Again, I will stand with Mr. Bundy, to preserve that right.
3. If what I have said, offends you, who died and made YOU “god”? (k.m.a.!!!)
Tone down? TONE DOWN?????
If my pointing out the biases out there offends many on the right, then we have lost. That’s a fact.
‘I’ prefer to confront it, not put my head in the sand.
If I had a website or a radio show or otherwise able to communicate to the public, I’d be SCREAMING about it.
Wrong. They will work their way around to calling anybody who doesn't agree with them anything they want to ...regardless.
Why waste time being careful? Do you think they wste time worrying about what conservatives think?
IMO, it's better to laugh at them than to reason with them.
The important question according to the reporters traveling with the POTUS, did he like the green-tea ice cream? How do reasonable people fight that? It's a waste of time.
Be who you are and don't apologize!
Depends on who you are.
No, I’m aware that apologizing to a liberal is the worst thing you can do, they’ll just smell blood and latch on like a (sort of whiney and politically correct) vampire bat. I’m just saying let the words match as closely to the meaning as possible, which you should always do anyway. It will make it harder for them to take you out of context when they decide to.
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