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America's feared nuclear missiles still controlled by computers from 1960s & floppy disks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614323/Americas-feared-nuclear-missile-facilities-controlled-computers-1960s-floppy-disks.html#ixzz307Xe1vML ^ | 27 April 2014 | By Joel Christie

Posted on 04/27/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by dennisw

America's feared nuclear missile facilities are still controlled by computers from the 1960s and floppy disks

60 Minutes received a tour of the F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming, the storage facility of 450 nuclear warheads and a Minuteman III missile The facility was built in the 1960s to withstand a nuclear attack and alot of its equipment dates back to that time The floppy disks that contain the missile launch codes are safe and effective because it allows center to stay disconnected from the internet and prevent cyber terrorism, the military claims Tour comes in the wake of a major cheating scandal that has implicated 91 Air Force nuclear missile officers, nine of which were fired

The isolated U.S. military silo that contains one of deadliest nuclear arsenals in the world - some 450 warheads that are each 20 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima - is being controlled by computers dating back to 1960s and a launch system that relies on floppy disks.

But security officials maintain their methods are not only functional but hack-free, with the underground control room in Wyoming not connected to the internet, stopping any cyber terrorists gaining control over the weapons.

60 Minutes gained access to the F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne and will broadcast its full report from the facility tonight.

CBS Correspondent Lesley Stahl said she believed the unprecedented invitation to take a look inside was part of a move by the military to show the public their system was safe in the wake of a widespread cheating scandal among their ranks.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 04/27/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Why isn’t there an app for this? /s


2 posted on 04/27/2014 1:32:32 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: dennisw

Need to upgrade them to XP.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:05 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: dennisw
More likely to be code understandable by a single person and without Gigabytes and Gigabuck$ of bloat.

Software designed for the hardware generally works great.

4 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dennisw

The target audience is Russa’s Putam not the US public.


5 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:45 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: dennisw

That’s if there are any left


6 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:52 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: dennisw

Nothing wrong with old technology if it works. And if it’s not connected to the internet then someone has to exploit it the old fashioned way....send in actual people to do the dirty work.


7 posted on 04/27/2014 1:34:16 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: dennisw

Probably keeps them secure from being hacked.

The country’s in the best of hands.


8 posted on 04/27/2014 1:34:39 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: dennisw

If I ever meet the guy who invented floppy disks, violence will probably ensue... Just the amount of grief those things caused me during the years when I had to deal with them.


9 posted on 04/27/2014 1:36:01 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: DouglasKC

It’s long past time we should convert all the computer control for nuclear weapons, into a Facebook application, so the Preezy can surf and nuke.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 1:36:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: dennisw

Men were sent to the moon and back many times with same, so no cause for concern if these systems have been maintained. Given the current state of things, that’s a question needing to be addressed.


11 posted on 04/27/2014 1:37:38 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: dennisw

Sounds like it’s a lot more secure than something connected to the Interwebs via a Microsoft product.


12 posted on 04/27/2014 1:38:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: dennisw

So the author doesn’t understand the difference between nuclear and thermonuclear and what a MIRV is?


13 posted on 04/27/2014 1:40:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: dennisw

Who cares, as long as it still works. It’s not like nuclear missiles launch so often that you need a flashy UI for it.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 1:41:29 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: dennisw

“... computers dating back to 1960s” are MUCH less reliable than computers today. I wonder what the military does for parts for their dinosaurs?

And this, “we’re safe because the computers are ancient relics and aren’t connected to the Internet,” is BS. I suspect it is more like, “we’re safe because our ancient relics CAN’T be connected to the Internet.” Few, if any, computers from the 1960s have Internet capabilities.

And, the most modern computer available today would be just as safe if not connected to the Internet. Probably more safe is it would be much more reliable and less subject to breakdown.

Bottom line is more like, “We, for whatever reason(s) have not kept up with the latest technology.”


15 posted on 04/27/2014 1:41:58 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: jpsb
The target audience is Russa’s Putam not the US public.

I would venture a guess their's ain't much better.

(And it's Putin.)

16 posted on 04/27/2014 1:44:13 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: dennisw

I can hardly wait until they upgrade the rest of DoD PCs to the IBM XT with an amber monitor.


17 posted on 04/27/2014 1:45:11 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: dennisw

If they were really 1960’s technology, they’d be using punch cards.


18 posted on 04/27/2014 1:45:15 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Cvengr

19 posted on 04/27/2014 1:48:15 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: dennisw
Is the launch code still 0-0-0-0-0?


20 posted on 04/27/2014 1:52:10 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

No, it’s obviously 4-3-2-1-0


21 posted on 04/27/2014 1:53:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DeFault User
Is the launch code still 0-0-0-0-0?


22 posted on 04/27/2014 1:54:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
See:

http://gizmodo.com/for-20-years-the-nuclear-launch-code-at-us-http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rtOXMZlMTkg/RZWVjP3f49I/AAAAAAAAADs/YpHlSwXpiUg/s400/drinking_bird.jpgminuteman-si-1473483587

I left out some zeros, there should be eight.

23 posted on 04/27/2014 1:58:38 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: dennisw
emulate: Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system.

The hardware is mostly very modern. A least third generation 360s -- maybe even 370s :)

I didn't see where it said that they literally are using floppy disk. Just the data originally on floppies I figure.

24 posted on 04/27/2014 2:05:17 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: dennisw

"Shall. we. play. a. game?"


25 posted on 04/27/2014 2:05:57 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

“We’ll meet again....don’t know where....don’t know when........”


26 posted on 04/27/2014 2:08:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dennisw
America's feared nuclear missile facilities are still controlled by computers from the 1960s and floppy disks

Leslie Stahl is trying out for the part of Jane Curtin on SNL


27 posted on 04/27/2014 2:11:54 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Ask the Iranians what happens if your most sensitive computer systems are networked.

If they do the full tour, you will get to see the pale green walls, the giant shock absorbers that the site rests on and the cool way things were done back then.

I miss those days working at the LCF’s at Ellsworth.


28 posted on 04/27/2014 2:14:31 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: dfwgator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY


29 posted on 04/27/2014 2:15:23 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Oops...
30 posted on 04/27/2014 2:16:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15YgdrhrCM8


31 posted on 04/27/2014 2:18:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dennisw
1960s techonology also took us to the moon. It is safe simple and secure. But I'm sure Obama will move in to FUBAR is all up.

funny gifs
32 posted on 04/27/2014 2:20:50 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: dennisw

33 posted on 04/27/2014 2:24:06 PM PDT by Redcitizen (When a zombie apocalypse starts, Chuck Norris doesn't try to survive. The zombies do.)
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To: dennisw

I’m more worried about them being controlled by 1960’s hippies.


34 posted on 04/27/2014 2:24:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: dennisw

That may be a good thing. How many hackers still know how to attack a 1960’s puter.


35 posted on 04/27/2014 2:32:57 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: dennisw; All
... but hack-free, ...

Being hack-free is a major advantage imo.

36 posted on 04/27/2014 2:38:03 PM PDT by Amendment10
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I’m more worried about them being controlled by 1960’s hippies.

Like our pothead president member of The Choom Gang

37 posted on 04/27/2014 2:47:58 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: varmintman
If I ever meet the guy who invented floppy disks, violence will probably ensue... Just the amount of grief those things caused me during the years when I had to deal with them.

I came into computers in 1997 which I am sure is later than you. I always had problems with them and with 100mb zip disks. There was always problems reading them and having them fail completely. My first flash drive was 64mb and failed. They were dodgy too but no problems w flash drives now

38 posted on 04/27/2014 2:55:08 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

The ChiComs and the Russians will lobby someone here (Maybe Odinga himself, depending on his flexibility) to order an update to the military’s software and get connected to the internet. Problem solved.


39 posted on 04/27/2014 3:19:54 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: EEGator

Kings Quest, correct?


40 posted on 04/27/2014 3:20:57 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: DouglasKC
Nothing wrong with old technology if it works. And if it’s not connected to the internet then someone has to exploit it the old fashioned way....send in actual people to do the dirty work.

Agreed, plus is does not take much computing power to launch and navigate a missile or rocket to take the course it is assigned to. You could probably do that with a computer using only 4K of RAM, maybe even less.
41 posted on 04/27/2014 4:02:13 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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I served as a Missile Combat Crew Member at FE Warren in the 80’s. If I remember correctly the Launch Control Centers had a piece of equipment called a Memory Control Group that was used for data storage. It had all of 64KB of memory! The missiles had pre-designated target data, if you had to change this data, you would have to enter the new data into a keyboard. Needless to say, if you effed this up you were a assessed a critical error! Our comm gear was garbage too, if you’ve ever seen the movie “Crimson Tide” they sent a messsage via the Survivable Low Frequency System (SLFCS), we use to code this damned thing up to encrypt messages using a stylus! The equipment we used back then was archaic, I can only imagine what it’s like now.


42 posted on 04/27/2014 4:20:02 PM PDT by RalphB
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To: dennisw

Ahhh, the “click of death”. I remember it well.


43 posted on 04/27/2014 4:28:26 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: dennisw

44 posted on 04/27/2014 4:33:30 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Bratch

“General, the machine has locked us out! It is sending random numbers to the silos!” “Well, just unplug the goddamn thing!”


45 posted on 04/27/2014 5:26:19 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Captainpaintball

Yep, good eye.


46 posted on 04/27/2014 5:41:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: dfwgator

You always beat me. Kudos.


47 posted on 04/27/2014 5:43:15 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: dennisw

This kind of ancient technology is probably almost impossible to hack, internet or no internet. Binary assembly code, and who knows if the source is even available. I remember guys debugging operating systems on CDC 7600 “supercomputers” by attaching homemade hardware rigs to register units to figure out why their code didn’t work.


48 posted on 04/27/2014 9:27:15 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: dennisw

What difference does it make?

Obama has already taken their use “off the table” and he’s guiding America towards a plan of ZERO nuclear weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjZs0jciSg


49 posted on 04/28/2014 7:48:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: RalphB
I served as a Missile Combat Crew Member at FE Warren in the 80’s. If I remember correctly the Launch Control Centers had a piece of equipment called a Memory Control Group that was used for data storage. It had all of 64KB of memory! The missiles had pre-designated target data, if you had to change this data, you would have to enter the new data into a keyboard. Needless to say, if you effed this up you were a assessed a critical error! Our comm gear was garbage too, if you’ve ever seen the movie “Crimson Tide” they sent a messsage via the Survivable Low Frequency System (SLFCS), we use to code this damned thing up to encrypt messages using a stylus! The equipment we used back then was archaic, I can only imagine what it’s like now.

I wonder too. 64K, probably an 8-bit computer, that was the maximum RAM for an 8-bit system. I've been aboard a 707 Navy command post, the E-6 IIRC, and they still use equipment they used back in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
50 posted on 04/28/2014 5:28:08 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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