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Stopping Power Myths & What Really Matters to Stop Attackers
SHTF School ^ | 4/25/14 | Selco

Posted on 04/28/2014 5:20:07 PM PDT by Kartographer

Will to kill When I wrote those 3 points about what the guy with TT gun did and why he did not shoot the other man, there needs probably (but I never know for sure) to be number 4 and that is “he did not want to kill the man”.

Yes, even in life threatening situations lots of people simply would choose not to kill, even if that means death for them. I believe it is something that some people simply can not do. They are not capable of that, to take some other mans life.

Maybe it looks that this is not connected with this topic about stopping power, but it is. So while choosing what weapon is good for you, you need to ask yourself “am I capable of taking other mans life?”. Any hesitation can kill you when it matters, whatever caliber you have.

Lesson here is, instead of researching “tacticool” stuff online, learning about survival and going down to shooting range and finding gun with common round in the area that one shoots well with is what makes sense. The gun you know how to use best has biggest stopping power.


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KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers
When Selco speaks wise preppers listen.
1 posted on 04/28/2014 5:20:07 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 04/28/2014 5:20:43 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yes I can. I don’t want to but I know I can if I have to.


3 posted on 04/28/2014 5:22:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

A lot of truth in that. Doesn’t matter how good the weapon is if you don’t have confidence in it. That’s why the old saying: If you can’t hit ‘em once with a .44 hit ‘em twice with a .22.


4 posted on 04/28/2014 5:23:16 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Kartographer

“...I’ve got some 230gr round ball in this here old .45.
It’s old and likely to mis-fire.
Do you feel lucky, punk? Do ya?....”


5 posted on 04/28/2014 5:26:36 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
If you can’t hit ‘em once with a .44 hit ‘em twice with a .22.

44's are too inaccurate to hit them once?

6 posted on 04/28/2014 5:27:18 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Kartographer

Sabot Slug...

Game Over....


7 posted on 04/28/2014 5:33:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: umgud

.44s buck too hard for most folks to shoot well.


8 posted on 04/28/2014 5:35:12 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Kartographer
Rule Nr. 1 of a gunfight: don't be there.
Failing that, be awesome, and supremely confident of your ability to emerge victorious. Make it legendary...or die.
9 posted on 04/28/2014 5:35:57 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Kartographer
The gun you know how to use best has biggest stopping power.

Real world logic.

So much depends upon the circumstances and environment at the critical time. I'm not bloodthirsty and macho, but I believe I have the will to do what is required. I do know that if the threat is directed at my wife or daughter, I will go for the gold. No hesitation before & no remorse after.

10 posted on 04/28/2014 5:48:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer

>>The gun you know how to use best has biggest stopping power.

There’s an old, old saw that applies here: Beware the man with only one gun; he probably knows how to use it.


11 posted on 04/28/2014 5:49:22 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

There’s another old saying...”Beware the man who only owns one gun, he probably knows how to use it.”


12 posted on 04/28/2014 5:49:39 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: FreedomPoster

LOL, you beat me by 17 seconds!


13 posted on 04/28/2014 5:50:56 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Kartographer
Nobody knows till the time comes but you can help desensitize yourself with drill and hunting is always a good way to tell if you can shoot to kill. I think rabbit, squirrel or small game...then build up to deer and hogs.

That's why the British used to "blood" the troops. Happens in our armed forces. That's why training is so important. Reflex beats having to think it out during an attack.

14 posted on 04/28/2014 5:53:01 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: MileHi

If you have trouble shooting a 44 magnum you can always load it with 44 Special. It has a lot less kick, and still has plenty of stopping power.


15 posted on 04/28/2014 5:54:26 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Vendome

HK91.From point blank to over 500yds it will get the job done.


16 posted on 04/28/2014 6:06:49 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

The very reason I load a twenty gauge for home defense.


17 posted on 04/28/2014 6:09:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Kartographer

Claire Wolfe in “101 Things To Do Until The Revolution” wrote “Decide what you’re willing to kill for. Not what you’re willing to die for, what you’re willing to kill for”.


18 posted on 04/28/2014 6:33:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Hugin

I shoot one pretty well as a few deer and decent black bear could no longer attest... {:0)


19 posted on 04/28/2014 6:37:22 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Hugin; FreedomPoster

In the, “old saw” competition the gold goes to, FreedomPoster!


20 posted on 04/28/2014 6:48:43 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Kartographer
" The gun you know how to use best has biggest stopping power."

Ain't that the truth!

And, don't forget you have to have it with you to use it.

The are folks who have permits...and hand cannons they leave on the nightstand when they go out. Or the glove compartment.

I'd druther be carrying my Sig .380 than leaving my Barretta Model 96 at home.

21 posted on 04/28/2014 6:55:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kartographer

That’s why my favorite is a .38 Super... .357 ballistics with 9mm recoil.


22 posted on 04/28/2014 6:59:47 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: umgud

Many would not handle the recoil of the 44, and you are right, probably miss.

I like a 45, not the gun that a 44 revolver is, but it will stop a man, and I would do what it takes...I haven’t, but I could shot another man if it were necessary to defend my loved ones and my property (Castle). And as for stopping power, a 22 or a 9 mm also has stopping power...just make it a well placed shot.

But better still, a 12 ga with ‘00’. They come in, won’t get passed the front door...


23 posted on 04/28/2014 7:10:53 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: PowderMonkey
Rule Nr. 1 of a gunfight: don't be there.

Some of the best advice I've ever heard.

24 posted on 04/28/2014 7:43:17 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: Dick Vomer; All
Nobody knows till the time comes but you can help desensitize yourself with drill and hunting is always a good way to tell if you can shoot to kill. I think rabbit, squirrel or small game...then build up to deer and hogs.

You might think that'll help, but killing game ain't nothing like looking a man in the eye as you squeeze the trigger to kill him. It ain't the same, and never will be.

25 posted on 04/28/2014 8:07:38 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer
"Recoil, trigger pull and general feel are just few of many factors that determine what makes sense"...thanks Kart...
26 posted on 04/28/2014 8:22:31 PM PDT by virgil283 ('No king .... but King Jesus')
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To: Hugin

LOL!

I learned long ago: You have to be QUICK on Free Republic!


27 posted on 04/28/2014 8:27:30 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: outofsalt

Thank you, sir, and see my previous.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 8:28:56 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Shadowstrike

I know, you are correct. An animal is nothing like a man. It shouldn’t be unless you’re a sociopath. My thinking is just muscle memory of aiming at center of mass and trying not to jerk rounds all over the place.

Using a timer or the rapidity of movement helps but you are correct that nothing simulates real combat.


29 posted on 04/28/2014 9:47:14 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: Mariner
And, don't forget you have to have it with you to use it. < P> That's the problem with the Barrett 50. It's great on lethality, but scores pretty low on concealability and weight. Besides, it's so loud that it's deafening and disorienting.
30 posted on 04/29/2014 11:13:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kartographer

“It isn’t always being fast, or even accurate, that counts. It’s being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren’t willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won’t.”

John Wayne as J. B. Books in “The Shootist.”


31 posted on 04/29/2014 1:37:47 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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