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Outbox vs. USPS: How the Post Office Killed Digital Mail
Inside Sources .com ^ | April 28, 2014 | Derek Khanna

Posted on 04/30/2014 5:27:15 PM PDT by Utilizer

Baehr and Will Davis, were summoned to Washington for a meeting with the Postmaster General. Evan and Will wondered what it could be, “They must have seen the recent coverage in CNBC, maybe they’ll help our company expand?” Or, “maybe they wanted the traditional photo opportunity and positive media buzz that political actors care so much about. Surely their company made the Post Office look good, right?” But when the Postmaster General came out to meet them, the stark reality became clear, they weren’t interested in a photo-op.

As Evan and Will describe it: “This 30-minute meeting was the end of our business model.”

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When Evan and Will got called in to meet with the Postmaster General they were joined by the USPS’s General Counsel and Chief of Digital Strategy. But instead, Evan recounts that US Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe “looked at us” and said “we have a misunderstanding. ‘You disrupt my service and we will never work with you.’” Further, “‘You mentioned making the service better for our customers; but the American citizens aren’t our customers—about 400 junk mailers are our customers. Your service hurts our ability to serve those customers.”’

According to Evan, the Chief of Digital Strategy’s comments were even more stark, “[Your market model] will never work anyway. Digital is a fad. It will only work in Europe.”

(Excerpt) Read more at insidesources.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: email; mail; regulation; usps
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To: redgolum
The customers of the Post Office are those who pay the postage,not those who receive the letters.

If the senders of all that junk mail would be forced to pay not only the postage of what they sent, but also the cost of having it all sent back to them, not only would the demands on the USPS be reduced dramatically but their overall operating costs and employee efforts would be diminished by a considerable factor. Then perhaps they would not be operating under a continual financial black hole year after year.

21 posted on 04/30/2014 6:39:12 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: SunkenCiv

No worries, mate. Glad to help out with info as always.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 6:40:08 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Be sure to send the business reply envelopes back stuffed with other junk somebody else sent you. They have to pay the postage on those.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 6:47:48 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Utilizer

I don’t have home pickup paper recycling, but each week we deliver a full plastic tote full of catalogs and misc “junk” mail about 18 inches deep to our church recycling bin. It’s truly amazing to me the volume of bulk mail that arrives every day.


24 posted on 04/30/2014 6:52:25 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Chickensoup
Watched a Postal Employee behind the desk argue for 15 minutes with a customer about a 90 cent issue. It was miserable and the employee was tacky. For 90 cents the employee made about 20 people into post office enemies. No customer service skills there.

No surprise on this end. I have dealt with many government employees over the years and have found that far too many of them appear to regard their jobs as some form of Better-Than-Thou, since they get to decide how you will next proceed.

Whether it be the USPS, the DMV, or the slope-headed mouth-breathers who process your Passport paperwork, they most of them know that they have it within their power to Deny Your Request, simply because they can. Not all, granted, but this article serves to illustrate just how far that kind of mindset has pervaded our governmental agencies.

25 posted on 04/30/2014 6:54:49 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
This from an agency that was specifically created to benefit all of us, not merely the select few.

Getting the facts is not really that hard.

It WAS created to benefit the worst possible group. Unequivocally.
Let the facts speak for themselves. Image and video hosting by TinyPic

26 posted on 04/30/2014 6:56:53 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Thank you for the reminder. Always glad to be helped to remember things I misremember. It's always the highlights that stand out it seems, like when little Billy Gates announced to his fellow coders that what he had produced was now proprietary and subject to licensing if anyone wanted to use it.

I know coders that still hate that jerk to this day.

27 posted on 04/30/2014 6:58:21 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Be sure to send the business reply envelopes back stuffed with other junk somebody else sent you. They have to pay the postage on those.

What a great idea!
I have to waste time going through all email to segregate the "guaranteed offers" that have preprinted information about me, so I can shred those pages and prevent the identity thieves picking data from my "recycle garbage."

I'll just make sure I send back other companies' garbage that does not have my name and personal info on it.

28 posted on 04/30/2014 7:12:32 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Pontiac
Well, technically there is a method by which you can remove your mailbox and receive all your mail at General Delivery, but it requires a lot of time and effort, not to mention resistance from your local post-office, and you need to educate yourself on things such as the difference between General Delivery and general-post-office, as well as how to distinguish yourself as being a postal patron instead of a post-office customer as is generally assumed.

Not easy, and take it from someone that is still fighting the occasional battles that it is not a step taken lightly.

29 posted on 04/30/2014 7:16:42 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
Lotus was far ahead of it’s time. MS bought them out, then sat on them while promoting their own product with far less capabilities and allowed the Lotus offering to die away.

I'm guessing you were born long after those heady times. IBM bought Lotus in 1995 for $3.5B, mainly to obtain Lotus Notes.

30 posted on 04/30/2014 7:23:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Be sure to send the business reply envelopes back stuffed with other junk somebody else sent you. They have to pay the postage on those.

Yes, but then those persons know that there is a real individual behind that address and market out that information to other groups.

This is why, for example, I never directly answer the phone and let all calls go to the answering machine. If it is someone I know I will recognize them and answer, and if it is someone I do not, then eventually the lack of response will get the number deleted from the call list they are operating from as being a waste of effort. "No-Call" or "Do-Not-Call" lists are a waste of time.

31 posted on 04/30/2014 7:24:13 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

The last thing I want is my mail being redirected, opened, scanned and digitally preserved by a third party working closely with a government agency.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 7:24:43 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: publius911

Hmmm. I actually have some photocopies of a couple of small books that speak to the creation of the postal service, ‘The Founding of the Postal Service’ being one... However their exact titles escape Me at the moment and I need to go take some time to go and look up the copies I have set aside somewhere that speak more clearly as to the establishment of the agency we now know. You would be surprised at how much it has devolved from what it was originally intended to be and how much its own rules and regulations are unknown to its own employees -including the PostMasters.


33 posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:23 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Thank you as well for the reminder. I sometimes do not remember things as well as I should, although I should note to you that I was indeed present when these momentous events were occurring.

Always glad to have someone point out an inaccuracy, not the least reason being that it corrects something I posted previously and people need to know the facts.

Also, the fact that you posted the correction brings other minds to the post and makes more people aware of the events being discussed. To their benefits, I would hope. Stop learning, stop living, I always say.

34 posted on 04/30/2014 7:47:01 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

The “governmental agency” had nothing to do with it other than sending the mail to the specified address. Think of it as a “Re-Mailing” service, and that is the extent to which this company operated -NOT the USPS.


35 posted on 04/30/2014 7:49:32 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

And last Feb. they “lost” a $100 Amazon order of auto parts (FedEx del. to local PO) , placed me on hold for over an hour without answering, when i did get thru they said it went to a city nearby, but never got here. Got thru a few days later and they tracked it came to my city, not the one nearby, but do not know why it never got delivered.

Said to contact Consumer Affairs, which i sent email to with order #, but they never got back to me.

Called national help, which gave me a case number and said they would contact me in 24hrs, but never did.

Plus i ordered forever stamps, 2-3 day priority mail it says, but took 2 weeks.

And i am just outside the capital of my state.


36 posted on 04/30/2014 7:56:29 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Utilizer

The unaddressed mailings that look like newspapers get ceremoniously left in the parking lots of the local strip malls responsible for sending it. Let them pay to have the mess cleaned up. Much other junk mail (carefully separated from identifying data) is left in front of the post office.

No holds barred.


37 posted on 04/30/2014 8:20:48 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: daniel1212

I well know what you mean, mate. I could tell you horror stories about how the USPS has time after time failed to live up to its stated reasons for existing. Suffice to say that a more customer-friendly option is long overdue!


38 posted on 04/30/2014 8:22:01 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Oh, by the way: on an unrelated topic, what was the deal with Borland DBase 5.0? Wasn't there some sort of major problem with that? I ask because I happen to have come across a couple of CD's of that and I seem to remember there was a problem with it at the time...

Virus?

39 posted on 04/30/2014 8:58:26 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
*laugh* Lotus was far ahead of it’s time. MS bought them out, then sat on them while promoting their own product with far less capabilities and allowed the Lotus offering to die away.

Visicalc was the original spreadsheet. Lotus 123 came along and stole the idea. Microsoft Excel had a more robust set of math functions than 123. The prize that came and went was Smartware by Informix. They had a firstclass spreadsheet module in their officeware.

40 posted on 04/30/2014 10:48:05 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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