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Texas town shaken by officer shooting 93-year-old
Associated Press ^ | 05/09/2014 | PAUL J. WEBER

Posted on 05/09/2014 6:11:03 AM PDT by Rusty0604

Friends say 93-year-old Pearlie Golden still shopped at the grocery store and greeted friends with a jubilant "Hey, baby!" Now they and the mayor of this small Texas town want the police officer who shot and killed her gone.

Robertson County District Attorney Coty Siegert said a preliminary autopsy shows Golden was shot twice in the body and grazed by a third bullet. It's the second time Stem has shot and killed a suspect since joining the department in 2012, Siegert said.

"There's no justification. Any police officer would know not to kill a 93-year-old fragile woman when they could have backed off," said William Foster, 64, a retired professor in Hearne. "She was no threat to him."

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 6:11:03 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I now see American police the way I’ve seen Mexican police my entire adult life. Just because they speak the same language as me, it doesn’t make them automatically better. And, frankly, coming into contact with police in this country can be just as harrowing as in any third world country.

Yes, it’s gotten that bad.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 6:14:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Rusty0604
Homeland Security will snap this guy up in a hearbeat!

He has just the stuff they're looking for!


3 posted on 05/09/2014 6:15:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Rusty0604

They can now kill you if they ‘imagine’ you may have a gun and that you potentially could pull it out and shoot at them...And then they get a paid vacation for a reward...


4 posted on 05/09/2014 6:16:34 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: cuban leaf

“Law EnFORCEment” versus “Peace Officer”.

We used to have the latter... now we have the former.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 6:16:40 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Rusty0604
It's the second time Stem has shot and killed a suspect since joining the department in 2012, Siegert said.

Yes, but the important thing is that the officer got to go home to his family that night.

6 posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: cuban leaf

A 93 year old with a gun can kill you just like a 13, 17 or other.

dead is dead. If the shooting was justified, I feel for the officer. If not justified, he should burn.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 6:18:32 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Rusty0604
Officer Stephen Stem:


8 posted on 05/09/2014 6:20:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Rusty0604

Looks like the “DOG” Killers have moved on up.

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”


9 posted on 05/09/2014 6:21:13 AM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I agree!

The story left out way too many details for me to make a decision about whether he acted wrongfully or not.

Only thing I got out of the story is that she brandished a gun.

If she pointed it at him.. then what choice did he have?


10 posted on 05/09/2014 6:23:00 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Two shootings in two years seems a bit above average for somewhere outside of Bhagdad or Newark. Maybe it just seems that way to me. I need to hear the other side of the story but if that part includes: I thought she had a gun or some such, he is so far over the line to be a threat, not a resource.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 6:24:08 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Rusty0604
"There's no justification. Any police officer would know not to kill a 93-year-old fragile woman when they could have backed off," said William Foster, 64, a retired professor in Hearne.

The 'Professor' is just a bit naive...

12 posted on 05/09/2014 6:26:06 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: FreeAtlanta

I agree, since we don’t even have a description of the incident.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 6:26:19 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: FreeAtlanta

Shooting any elderly person is not necessary if the officer has a back off option. No other explanation of my statement is needed for anyone in their right mind.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 6:29:11 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

So it’s dark outside, you hear noises in your house or outside your house. What you are saying is that it is not safe to grab your gun and check it out, because if it happens to be a police officer they have every right to shoot you just because you have a gun. They couldn’t shout out and/or fall back?


15 posted on 05/09/2014 6:29:25 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

I live in the small Texas town, and the woman was wielding a pistol. However, when it was on the local news, my first thought was, couldn’t he have aimed at her legs? The lady was in a confrontation with a relative and had gotten the gun, so they called the police. She was waving it around and apparently talking irrationally. This was in a black community of town; one of those who was covered by the local news was a pastor who urged everyone to pray and wait for the investigation.


16 posted on 05/09/2014 6:29:51 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: logi_cal869

I won’t call you naive, but I would call you something else.

The Professor is 100% right!


17 posted on 05/09/2014 6:33:32 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All
or "Rustler" Reid's BfLM ..to hired gunmen, to
intimidating lawful citizens..see my FR_tagline

18 posted on 05/09/2014 6:33:52 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? :-)
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To: Rusty0604

I’d be curious about the history of the gun the woman “pointed” at the officer.

Was it in her name? Or, was it unregistered?

I’m not using the word “throwdown”, you understand...


19 posted on 05/09/2014 6:34:04 AM PDT by moovova
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Thank you for the added information.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 6:37:50 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: cuban leaf
Yes, it’s gotten that bad.

Yes it has gotten that bad. My hair dresser had an "altercation" with her ex where her ex pushed her down and then her 14 year old daughter layed into the ex. She said in the past she might have called police but she was afraid to call police and ended up taking care of it herself, he finally left. She was afraid she and her daughter would end up in jail.

Police used to try to de-escalate and just tell him to leave but with today's rules - they probably all would have ended up in jail - if they didn't get shot. Pathetic. And we can't blame it all on the police, they have stupid laws they have to follow as well.

21 posted on 05/09/2014 6:38:15 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Rusty0604

This is a town of less than 5000 people. If you have killed 2 in the last couple of years, it is time to move on, justified or not.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 6:38:48 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

A 93 year old with a gun can kill you just like a 13, 17 or other...Oh, Horseshiite! In 1974 I had a drunk, 67 year old man with a shotgun on me as I got out of my cruiser. It pissed me off so I walked onto his porch with him yelling “ I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you!” I knew if he hadn’t by then, he wasn’t going to. I knocked the 12gauge way, turned his backside to me and kicked his ass so hard he knocked himself out on the front door jamb. I arrested him for Public Drunkenness and let him sleep it off. I’ve taken knives off many, men and women and only had to shoot three in 17 years (higher percent BACK then than NOW). I was, proudly, a PEACE officer not a transplanted urban anti-terrorst. THEY should only shoot Muzzies.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 6:40:50 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Rusty0604

Not what I’m saying at all.

The difference isn’t just having a gun on your person.

The difference is.. you NEVER point a gun at someone or something unless you are planning on pulling the trigger.

I’m not saying whether this lady did one way or another. I’m asking. The story left out too many details for me to make a judgement is all I’m saying.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 6:44:14 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
yep. Poorly written story. Only thing that I got out of it is that a Grand Jury cleared the cop....and Prosecutors can get a Grand Jury to indict anyone.

So - in the absence of other evidence, I gotta go with the cop on this one. Subject to more review.

25 posted on 05/09/2014 6:44:29 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Rusty0604

Not enough information. Article doesn’t even state why a 911 call was made from the residence, and few details of incident that led officer to shot.

But the same officer killing two people in a couple of years...


26 posted on 05/09/2014 6:46:55 AM PDT by Will88
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News 3 has learned the person who has called 911 is Pearlie Golden's nephew. A few days ago,
the Texas Department of Public Safety refused to renew her driver’s license. The nephew was
trying to take her keys away. Golden got upset, grabbed her gun and threatened him.

When Officer Stephen Stem arrived, he asked Golden to “put down the weapon and then
ultimately fir(ed) his own sidearm, wounding Miss Golden.”
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Elderly Woman Shot & Killed By Hearne Police Officer

This is the second time Stem has been involved in a deadly shooting
since July 22, 2012 when he was employed.

27 posted on 05/09/2014 6:48:58 AM PDT by deport
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To: Rusty0604
Some police really need to take lessons in customer service...seriously. Any man under 70 could have taken the correct attitude with a 93 year old and charmed the pants off her...along with her gun...in about 10 or 15 minutes of talking through the door.

Many cops get it. They're the ones that have "boring" shifts. It's because they havepeople skills and can de-escalate situations without a gun.

28 posted on 05/09/2014 6:49:54 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Rusty0604

Age of the victim or perp, as the case may be, if armed, is immaterial.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 6:49:55 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks, now we know what the “target” looks like


30 posted on 05/09/2014 6:50:35 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: rw4site
????????????????????????????????

You egregiously simultaneously misread the statement, the quote and my comment.

I'll throw you a bone and presume you haven't yet sought out coffee:

Any police officer would know not to kill a 93-year-old fragile woman when they could have backed off,"

Unless you only occasionally poke your head out of a cave, you would know that this situation is becoming all too tragically common. I venture to state that hardly a week goes by without at least a couple reports of officers shooting unarmed civilians. Most specifically, the statement itself is moronic, as he refers to 'any' police officer when THIS police officer did NOT back off.

I expect an apology.

31 posted on 05/09/2014 6:51:38 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Safetgiver

If that isn’t the damnedest explanation of proper peace officer response, I don’t know what is.


32 posted on 05/09/2014 6:53:50 AM PDT by wita
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To: deport

couldn’t the nephew have walked away for a day......instead of calling 911


33 posted on 05/09/2014 7:00:31 AM PDT by sbark
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To: DouglasKC

I think part of officer training should include watching episodes of “Andy Griffith”.


34 posted on 05/09/2014 7:01:13 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

At 93 years old, any person would use up whatever energy they possess in
roughly 1/2 an hour - and if they were hallucinating enemies or something
- the absence of further threats would help to tamper down whatever
adrenaline was charging them up in the first place. So the cop should have
used caution and simply backed off and protected the woman’s neighbors and
let nature run it’s course. If an arrest had to be made this is one time to
wait them out. Next time the old gal headed for the grocery store unarmed
you detain her. Pop. 4,500? Not much chance this cop needed to treat the
situation as imminently threatening to the point of firing 3 or more shots
meant to kill.

Sounds like a doofus to me.


35 posted on 05/09/2014 7:05:09 AM PDT by februus
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To: ConservativeMan55
"then what choice did he have?"
Retreat, take a defensive position, analyze the situation maybe?
36 posted on 05/09/2014 7:06:08 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

Why would he retreat? He was called there for a purpose and you’ve got a woman who is apparently out of her mind waving a gun around.

If he were to retreat and that woman were to kill 3 people.. then he’d be in trouble for leaving.

It’s a no win situation!


37 posted on 05/09/2014 7:13:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Rusty0604

I really think that this SOB should be tried and executed for capital murder.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 7:14:35 AM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: Rusty0604

This is indeed a story representative of a lot of what we see about LEOs today and their oppressive attitudes and willingness to cover up the truth.

However, reading this AP article by Weber, I cannot make any sense from it. It is a disjointed, unconnected hodgepodge of useless information and vague statements with absolutely no follow up. Bad thought, reasoning, preparation and writing from someone who purports to be a journalist.


39 posted on 05/09/2014 7:32:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: logi_cal869

You have my apology. I’ve had my coffee, but I’m also getting on up there in age. Dammit!

Sorry, I did misread your post.

Head low, crawling back into my cave.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 7:40:30 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Rusty0604

Did she have a pitbull sitting on her lap?
I’m so sorry for all involved in this.
A 93 yr old should not have to die in such a violent manner.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 7:40:59 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: logi_cal869

After going back and reading your original post and seeing your statement “The ‘Professor’ is just a bit naive...”, I withdraw my apology.

The ‘naive’ statement is what I based my original reply to you on.

I stand by my original statement. “The Professor is 100% right!”

My apology was based on the quoted statement of the Professor that you put in your reply and I thought it was yours.

I may be old and cranky, but this time I got it right. I think...

Unless you can show me what you mean by the Professor being “naive,” I’ll just think you made a mistake in your word choice.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 7:56:41 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: deport; Rusty0604

Hearne has a population of around 4,500 people. It is about 50% black, 32% Hispanic & 18% white. The population is slowly but steadily declined over the past 20 years. There have been many racial problems in the past.
The local Wal-Mart there closed about 10 years ago due to employee theft.

I need to correct my statement that I live there, I don’t live there, but I live close to there. I had forgotten that it was in Hearne, and not my town/city where this happened; I got in on the tail end of the local news last night (KBTX cited)!


43 posted on 05/09/2014 7:57:31 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: rw4site

I agree with that statement; just not with ‘calling me something else’.

Old n cranky here, too.

Be well, FRiend.


44 posted on 05/09/2014 8:08:09 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: FreeAtlanta
A 93 year old with a gun can kill you just like a 13, 17 or other. dead is dead. If the shooting was justified, I feel for the officer. If not justified, he should burn.

She failed a driving test the previous week. He nephew came to take her car keys away. She responded by threatening him with her gun outside the house. He called the police.

We don't know what happened that led up to the shooting, but that's not going to stop the usual FR cop haters from their customary childish remarks without the facts.

45 posted on 05/09/2014 8:17:04 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gaffer

“However, reading this AP article by Weber, I cannot make any sense from it. It is a disjointed, unconnected hodgepodge of useless information and vague statements with absolutely no follow up.”

I’ve noticed that all the arcticles about cop killings that are used to energize the anti-cop lynch mob are like this.


46 posted on 05/09/2014 8:33:33 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ConservativeMan55
Only thing I got out of the story is that she brandished a gun

The story won't load for me. At any rate, what does "brandished" mean here? If she was pointing a gun at the cop, that's one thing. But if she was only holding a gun, that's something else.

My grandfather lived on a farm way out in the sticks. If he heard a knock at his door after dark, you can bet he had his pistol with him.

47 posted on 05/09/2014 8:35:29 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

The Walmart closing was one of only a few that couldn’t make it. Hearne was supported
by cotton production at one time. I guess as automation became more prevelant it also
reduced employment and people moved on.


48 posted on 05/09/2014 8:41:30 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

I was speaking of personal knowledge of things going on in one place.


49 posted on 05/09/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: TurkeyLurkey

I understand. Thanks


50 posted on 05/09/2014 8:49:16 AM PDT by deport
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