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Suspect in German exchange student killing pleads not guilty
CBS News ^ | 5/21/2014 | Crimesider Staff

Posted on 05/22/2014 5:51:38 PM PDT by wideawake

MISSOULA, Mont. - A Montana man accused of fatally shooting a German exchange student in his garage pleaded not guilty to murder Wednesday, Reuters reports.

Last month, 29-year-old Markus Kaarma, of Missoula, allegedly shot and killed 17-year-old Diren Dede, of Hamburg, Germany, after the teen broke into his garage. The former U.S. Forest Service firefighter has been charged with deliberate homicide, according to the news agency.

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This case from last month moves forward in the judicial process
1 posted on 05/22/2014 5:51:38 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

The poor “student” was just playing a game of garage-hopping. It is a harmless game where “students” look for things of interest in people’s garages and take them. The “student” was just minding his own business when he died in an unprovoked attack.


2 posted on 05/22/2014 5:53:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: wideawake
There are a number of these cases in recent years, like that of Byron Smith, Jerome Ersland, and Brice Harper, where evil people try to use the Castle Doctrine - an important and foundational principle - as a screen for murder.

Every time it happens, the gullible support the mutant who misuses the principle, strengthening the collectivists who want to eliminate it.

3 posted on 05/22/2014 5:56:34 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

The German exchange student was not a German,he was a Turk.The body was not returned to Germany,it went to Turkey.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 5:56:47 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The "student" should have been imprisoned.

Kaarma had him cornered, toyed with him, and then executed him - although he had the foreknowledge, time and opportunity to call the police, who would have caught Dede redhanded.

The student committed burglary. Kaarma committed murder.

5 posted on 05/22/2014 5:58:57 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Farmer Dean

He was a German citizen, regardless of where he was buried.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 6:04:07 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

His citizenship really doesn’t matter.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 6:06:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Agreed.


8 posted on 05/22/2014 6:09:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

This report must be phony. The Dims have said voter fraud doesn’t exist, or is as rare as being struck by lightning.


9 posted on 05/22/2014 6:09:33 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: wideawake

Stay outta my garage.


10 posted on 05/22/2014 6:19:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake

My garage is not your garage. Woodie Guthrie not withstanding.


11 posted on 05/22/2014 6:22:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
The guy who walked into an open garage was murdered.

The owner of the garage is going to prison for murder.

The two thugs who broke into the garage owner's car and house, who stole the garage owner's drugs and smartphone and cash, are free on bond and probably won't see a day in jail.

What have we learned?

12 posted on 05/22/2014 6:30:12 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
"What have we learned? "

Don't go into someone else's garage.

13 posted on 05/22/2014 6:53:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake

So you have a video of this?


14 posted on 05/22/2014 6:58:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Better - we have Markus Kaarma own Mirandized testimony.


15 posted on 05/22/2014 8:06:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Paladin2

We’ve also learned not to murder anyone in your garage, or you’re going to prison.


16 posted on 05/22/2014 8:07:38 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Once you are dead you are dead.

Don't hang out in someone else's garage unless invited.

17 posted on 05/22/2014 8:10:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake
"Staying off of private property is good advice in any country, he says, it's just that in America, the risks can be more severe."

Given that it was dark, in Texas, the invader would be without any legal recourse (though in Montana he is still dead).

18 posted on 05/22/2014 8:15:13 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Don’t murder someone unless you want to die in prison.


19 posted on 05/22/2014 8:15:45 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I’d recommend that you stay out of my garage, especially after dark.


20 posted on 05/22/2014 8:17:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
If Kaarma had called the police, the burglar wouldn't have had any legal recourse either.

He would have been convicted, jailed and then deported.

And Kaarma would be a free man to boot.

21 posted on 05/22/2014 8:20:40 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Stay out of my garage, especially after dark.

It's a quite simple imperative for personal safety.

22 posted on 05/22/2014 8:22:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
I'm not in the habit of breaking and entering.

I'm also not in the habit of murdering helpless losers either.

23 posted on 05/22/2014 8:26:08 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

What part of stay out of my (NOT your) garage after dark do you not understand?


24 posted on 05/22/2014 8:27:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake

Note that Cops kill peeps for much less every day.


25 posted on 05/22/2014 8:29:02 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake

How often did this guy leave his garage door open to attract anti-social types for execution?


26 posted on 05/22/2014 8:51:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wideawake

I had a roommate once(only once). I thought he was sneaking my burboun so I peed in the bottle, thus corrupting my bourbon. He drank it for sure and freaked out. Same principal as stay out of my garage; it ain’t yours and the insulated laws of society should not protect your arse. Boy, he was mad I peed in my Bourbon. He also ate my leftovers. I put a different bodily fluid that comes out of my urethra under the cheese of my left over pizza; he didn’t see that coming either. I told him about that the next day. Messed up stuff happens when you mess with people’s stuff. Is it worth the personal collateral damage?


27 posted on 05/22/2014 9:20:57 PM PDT by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: guyfromjrz
So your roommate was a thief, and you're a mentally disturbed sexual deviant.

Much like this story of the thief and the murderer, there are no winners.

28 posted on 05/23/2014 3:34:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Missoula suspect charged for theft that preceded fatal shooting

MISSOULA - The story behind who was in Markus Kaarma's garage prior to the night he shot a 17-year-old German exchange student to death continues to develop.

An 18-year-old man appeared in Missoula Justice Court on Thursday, accused of burglarizing Kaarma and his wife's garage on several occasions before Diren Dede was killed.

Tristan Alfred Staber made his initial appearance, and faces several felony charges.

Staber appeared before Judge Amy Blixt to hear the charges that include conspiracy to commit burglary and conspiracy to commit criminal trespass to vehicles.

A 16-year old boy who is also suspected of being involved is facing burglary charges in youth court.

Court documents say Staber was the lookout, staying in the car while the juvenile burglarized Markus Kaarma's garage on or about April 17.

Records state Staber indicated that he and the boy were "car hopping", and went to three different houses in the Prospect neighborhood that had their garage doors open.

The affidavit says that around midnight the juvenile stole several items from the garage of Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager, including a glass bong, marijuana, credit cards and an iPhone 5

Staber was ordered held on $10,000m bail and is being held in the Missoula County Detention Center.

This isn't the first time Tristan Staber has been in trouble with the law. The 18-year-old has multiple misdemeanor charges filed against him in Missoula Municipal Court - ranging from theft to assault to criminal possesion of Paraphernalia and criminal possession of dangerous drugs.

29 posted on 05/23/2014 3:49:22 AM PDT by csvset
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To: wideawake
Kaarma had him cornered, toyed with him, and then executed him - although he had the foreknowledge, time and opportunity to call the police, who would have caught Dede redhanded.

Don't care. If on a jury, I would not convict. Dede was old enough to know he had no business stealing from people.

30 posted on 05/23/2014 3:50:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: csvset

Thanks! Good to hear the police actually followed through on the investigation of these hardened criminals. They did grown-up crimes, let’s hope they do grown-up time.


31 posted on 05/23/2014 4:05:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: PapaBear3625
Other jurors often pay attention to the laws they are enforcing and to the details of the case they are adjudicating.

Some ignore all that troublesome thinking and moral responsibility and just vote their gut, regardless of the law or their oath.

32 posted on 05/23/2014 4:08:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Paladin2
This was his first foray into ambush and murder that we know of - which explains his rookie mistake of boasting about the murder before he committed it, and then bragging to the police about how he murdered the guy afterwards.

A seasoned killer would probably have been more discreet.

Of course, Kaarma is also a druggie who was probably not a very sharp operator to begin with. His "baby mama" didn't help his cause either.

33 posted on 05/23/2014 4:21:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Don’t tell people you really want to kill a kid and are going to set up a trap so that you can

Try to be nicer to people, so that when you get accused of murder, your neighbors and others that have met you and are witnesses, don’t say you were scary and talked about killing people


34 posted on 05/23/2014 5:42:17 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: guyfromjrz

what are you, a 15yo?


35 posted on 05/23/2014 5:44:41 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: redhawk.44mag

What does age have to do with it? 15, 23 38? I was tuaght at a young age don’t touch was is not yours. Maybe I should have beat his arse? I thought it was better that I told him to his face the consequences fir touching my stuff after repeated warnings. And if you want to know, I drained the papharaltic after coitus with my Gf. It was her idea, because he woould eat her leftovers.

And, I would do it again. You handle your business the way you want, and I am going to do the same. Let me be clear; I smacked a homlesd guy on peachtree St in Atlanta last week because he called my wife a chink. I settle things with my own form of justice. It is truly a gift of life when you can sort out your own problems. I believe in prudent frontier justice.


36 posted on 05/23/2014 8:01:15 AM PDT by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: guyfromjrz

Age has nothing to do with the subject. I asked because your comment sounded like something a young teen would say.


37 posted on 05/23/2014 8:07:12 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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