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ALLIES PIERCE LINE BELOW ROME; U.S. FLIERS BLAST 9 PLANE PLANTS (5/30/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 5/30/44 | Milton Bracker, A.C. Sedgwick, Drew Middleton, Frank L. Kluckhohn, Tillman Durdin, Brooks Atkinson

Posted on 05/30/2014 4:12:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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1 posted on 05/30/2014 4:12:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Anzio-Cassino Area, 1943: Situation 18 May 1944 and Advance in Operation Diadem, 11-18 May. Anzio Breakout, 23-25 May and Turn to Rome, 25-30 May
The Western Pacific, New Guinea and the Philippine Islands: Allied Advances to the Marianas, Biak and Noemfoor, 22 April-24 July 1944, and Japanese Kon and “A” Go Operations 30 May-19 June 1944
China, 1941: Operation Ichigo, April-December 1944 and Situation 31 December
2 posted on 05/30/2014 4:13:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Nimitz Graybook

3 posted on 05/30/2014 4:13:53 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from May 15.

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Major General H.W. Blakeley, USA, Ret., The 32d Infantry Division in World War II

4 posted on 05/30/2014 4:14:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from May 28.

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Winston S. Churchill, Closing the Ring

5 posted on 05/30/2014 4:16:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
Carroceto Taken (Bracker) – 2-3
Foe Fights Most on Roads to Rome (Sedgwick) – 3
Americans Shell Hills below Rome – 3
Allies Crack German Defenses in Italy as the Enemy Floods the Pontine Marshes (photos) – 4-5
Bombers Fly Far (Middleton) – 6-7
The Machines of Destruction and Production (photo) – 7
The RAF Brings a New Weapon into Use (photo) – 8
Says Law Includes Foremen Disputes – 8
Americans Punch toward Biak Field (Kluckhohn) – 9
Stilwell Closing Ring on Myitkyina (Durdin) – 10
Chinese Won Glory in Salween Battle (Atkinson) – 10-11
Japanese Bite Deep toward Changsha – 11
Senate Votes Pay Rises for Postmasters despite Protest on ‘Rewarding Wasteful’ – 11
More Allied Arms Arrive in Britain – 12
War News Summarized – 12
Hull, Optimistic, Set to Shape Council on World Security – 13
Latest War Casualties in the Army and Navy – 14-15
U.S. Awards for Valor – 15
Both Houses Weigh Kimmel Extension (by C.P. Trussell) – 15
U.S. Motifs Creep into Royal Navy (by Hanson W. Baldwin) – 16
The Texts of the Day’s War Communiques – 17-19
6 posted on 05/30/2014 4:17:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1944/may44/30may44.htm#

Germans attacking in Romania
Tuesday, May 30, 1944 www.onwar.com

On the Eastern Front... German forces attack units of the Soviet 2nd Ukrainian Front (Konev), north of Jassy in Romania and achieve some gains.

In Italy... Elements of the British 8th Army capture Arce. At Anzio, the US 6th Corps approaches Velletri.

In Occupied France... French resistance forces sabotage equipment at Decazeville Colliery.


7 posted on 05/30/2014 4:18:32 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.etherit.co.uk/frame.htm

May 30th, 1944 (TUESDAY)

UNITED KINGDOM: The USAAF’s Eighth Air Force based in England flies Mission 380: 928 bombers and 672 fighters in six forces are dispatched to hit aircraft industry targets in Germany and marshalling yards in France and Belgium; they claim 65-8-6 Luftwaffe aircraft; twelve bombers and nine fighters are lost:

1. 268 B-17s are dispatched to attack aviation industry targets at Dessau (83 bomb), Halberstadt (107 bomb) and Oschersleben (51 bomb); five other hit targets of opportunity; they claim 8-5-1 Luftwaffe aircraft; nine B-17s are lost.

2. 369 B-24s are dispatched to hit aviation depots at Oldenburg (135 bomb), Rotenburg (147 bomb) and Zwischenahn (71 bomb); one other hits a target of opportunity; one B-24 is lost.

3. 46 of 91 B-24s hit Munster/Handorf Airfield and 36 others hit Diepholz Airfield; two B-24s are lost.

4. 122 of 126 B-17s hit French marshalling yards; 62 hit Reims and 60 hit Troyes without loss.

5. 39 of 40 B-17s hit Brussels/Schaerbeck marshalling yard, Belgium without loss.

6. 76 of 84 B-17s hit V-weapon sites in the Pas de Calais, France without loss.

Escort is provided by 186 P-38s, 184 P-47 Thunderbolts and 302 P-51 Mustangs; P-47s claim 2-0-0 Luftwaffe aircraft with one aircraft lost;

P-51s claim 48-3-2 Luftwaffe aircraft in the air and 7-0-3 on the ground with the loss of eight P-51s (pilots are MIA); 637 Ninth Air Force fighters support the mission; they claim 8-0-2 aircraft in the air and 0-0-4 on the ground for the loss of three aircraft.

100 P-47s are dispatched to bomb 4 rail bridges in northwestern France; 37 hit Longueil bridge, 26 hit Beaumont-sur-Oise bridge, 23 hit Canly-le-Jouque bridge and 12 hit the Creil bridge; one P-47 is lost.

The USAAF’s Ninth Air Force in England dispatches 320+ B-26 Marauders to attack airfields at Denain/Prouvy and Mantes/Limay, and highway bridges at Meulan and Rouen, all in France. Nearly 400 P-47s dive-bomb targets in northwestern Europe.
Corvette HMS Bamborough Castle commissioned.

Frigates HMS Bigbury Bay, St Austell Bay and St Brides Bay laid down.

FRANCE:

D-Day Countdown

The German Perspective

Tuesday, 30 May, 1944

May 30th. Rommel has assembled most of his corps and army commanders at Caen to attend a weapons display at Riva Bella, just west of Ouistraham. Even Admiral Krancke and General von Funk. Featured in the show are some of Major Becker’s multiple rocket launchers. The whooshing missiles impress everyone there. Becker also takes the opportunity to sow off some the armored assault guns that he has fashioned onto captured French armored chassis. Also displayed are a number of smoke launchers.

After the presentation, General Marcks has a chance to talk to Fifteenth Army Commander General von Salmuth.

He mentions to him the problems that he has on his Calvados coastline. Both the 352nd and the 716th Division each had a 30-mile stretch of beach to defend.

“It’s the weakest sector of my whole corps,” he admits worriedly.

They dine off a small but adequate field mess, sitting at tables under a lovely canopy of trees. It is just as well.

Enemy air activity is, as usual these days, bustling.

Rommel is surprised that the Mantes bridges are still functional.

Rommel closes the proceedings by addressing all of his commanders. He pleads with them to stay alert, and to be ready at all times. “You shouldn’t count on the enemy coming in fine weather, and by day,” he tells them.

Sadly for him, he will end up ignoring his own advice.

After the demonstration, Rommel, Buhle and Jakob ride off to tour the defensive barriers along the coast.

It will be Rommel’s last tour of the invasion area before D-Day.

Eventually, Rommel, his staff, and the two visiting generals head back to the chateau. They stops at some deployment areas of the 21st Panzer Division.

Again he gives the `stay alert’ speech. Major Hans von Luck is present here again, as he was at the conference. He expresses his anxiety over the fact that the enemy has not yet come. Would they ever?

This long period of no activity is starting to have an effect on his men, even the new recruits, fresh from Germany. The peaceful French countryside and good wine is not helping matters.

Rommel, Buhle, and Jakob head back. It is none too soon. By evening the Mante bridges are gone, as is the one at Gaillon, about 20 km downriver from Vernon. In fact all the bridges along the Seine between Elbeuf * and Paris are down.


* Located on the Seine River, about two-thirds of the distance between Paris and Le Havre.

Pete Margaritis

GERMANY: Allied pilots who are shot down over Germany can no longer expect any mercy from the people. The Reichsleiter Martin Bormann has today issued a directive to all district and regional National Socialist leaders to the effect that lynch law is now approved by the government in Berlin.

This directive from Bormann, who is also Hitler’s secretary, follows a newspaper article by the Reich propaganda minister, Josef Goebbels, which was published on 27 May. Under the headline “Comments on the Enemy Air Terror”, Goebbels concluded that, in view of the “criminal combat methods” now employed by the Allied air forces, pilots had no right to prevent the German people, in their “seething rage”, from acting in their own defence and rewarding murder with murder. Bormann’s directive has given the government seal of approval to Goebbel’s incitement to mob justice.
U-3001 launched.

U-683 commissioned.

ROMANIA: Jessy: A long lull on the whole front is broken by powerful German Attack on Koniev’s Front in Romania.

U.S.S.R.: USS Herndon (DD-198), commissioned as HMS Churchill (I-45) on 9 Sep. 1940; is transferred to Russia as Dyatelnyi today. She will be torpedoed and sunk by U-956 on 16 Jan. 1945 while escorting a White Sea convoy; the last war loss of the class and the only one of the destroyers transferred to Russia to be lost. (Ron Babuka)

ITALY: The British 8th Army takes Arce.
The USAAF’s Fifteenth Air Force in Italy dispatches nearly 500 bombers to attack targets in Austria and Yugoslavia; B-17s attack the marshalling yard at Zagreb, Yugoslavia; B-24s attack aircraft factories at Wels, Ebreichadorf, Pottendorf, Neudorfl and Neunkirchen, Austria; P-38s and P-51s provide escort and many of the fighters strafe targets of opportunity in areas around Zut, Brod, Susak, Bihac, Medak, and along the Karlovac-Livno road, Yugoslavia.

NEW GUINEA: Minor skirmishes on Biak where the Americans are re-grouping. In the Wadke-Sarmi area the US 158 Infantry Regiment Combat Team establishes a new defensive line along the river Tirfoam. Japanese mount night attacks along the perimeter of the Arare mainland beachead opposite Biak. (Michael Kiddell)

U.S.A.:
Submarine USS Mapiro laid down.

Destroyer escort USS Hemminger commissioned.

Minesweeper USS Sentry commissioned.

ECUADOR: President Carlos Arroyo del Rio of Ecuador and his cabinet resigned after a revolutionary junta seized power in Guayaquil.


8 posted on 05/30/2014 4:21:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Senate Votes Pay Rises for Postmasters despite Protest on ‘Rewarding Wasteful’ – 11

%5 to 20% pay increases for postmasters. “In arguing against the pay boost, Senator [Clyde M.] Reed [R-KS] said he was opposed to “rewarding negligent public officials for rendering wasteful service.”

As an example of negligence and waste, Sen. Reed referenced overtime spending by the Postal Service, which had increased from about $10.4 million in 1942 to $67.6 million in 1944.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 4:30:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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ECUADOR: President Carlos Arroyo del Rio of Ecuador and his cabinet resigned after a revolutionary junta seized power in Guayaquil.

Oops. I wonder if it's a rather-fascist revolutionary junta, or a rather-Marxist revolutionary junta. I could look it up, but I have to cook eggs for a son.

10 posted on 05/30/2014 4:32:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Thank you very much for posting these articles. I have been reading them daily for the past few weeks and I think they are very interesting. It’s hard to imagine just how much World War II pervaded the everyday life of Americans. The articles on rationing and the draft show that this war was a constant part of daily life, something I have never experienced. I am also looking forward to future daily postings. Next week is D Day and I want to read what an average New Yorker read that day.
Thanks again.


11 posted on 05/30/2014 5:45:35 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker; Tax-chick; fso301

Looks like our submarines have found the IJN, and after several months of hiding they look like they are ready to come out and fight. Gee, I wonder how we knew that we should position so many subs around the Tawi Tawi anchorage to look for the Japanese.

Nimitz won’t even hint of the Purple JN 25 decrypts in his own confidential diary.

The IJN is massing for Operation Kon, intended to attack the American amphibious forces invading Biak. The IJN will never execute Kon; it will be superceded by the need to execute A-Go.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 10:50:13 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

May 30, 1944:


"Two children clutch their father's hand while their mother, balancing on crutches, struggles to keep up during the deportation of Jews from the Sighet (Hungary) Ghetto.
From May 16 to 22, 1944, most of the nearly 8,600 Jews who had been crowded into the town's ghetto were deported to Auschwitz.
Among those sent from Sighet to Auschwitz was 14-year-old Elie Wiesel, who would later write of his experiences in Night."


"The little Hungarian town of Köszeg had only 80 Jews when a ghetto was created there on May 11, 1944.
The total population of the ghetto, which incorporated Jews from surrounding towns, was only 103.
This photograph shows the loading of the ghetto's population onto transport trains bound for Auschwitz.
Note the participation of troops from Hungary's Fascist organization, the Arrow Cross, in the deportation.
The organization's members, many of whom were poor and uneducated, participated vigorously in deportations."



13 posted on 05/30/2014 11:52:38 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The photo of German POWs marching to the rear is an image that will be repeated and magnified many times on every front in the next few months.


14 posted on 05/30/2014 11:59:54 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: BroJoeK; henkster; fso301; colorado tanker; Tax-chick; Rebelbase; CougarGA7; All
Please excuse me for veering off-date. I hope some of you may be able to provide some insight on two artifacts I temporarily have in my possession. They really belong to a friend and neighbor who knows of my interest in the war and is kindly letting me examine them.

They are two photo albums that my friend acquired from a veteran in our town who liberated them from a hotel in Munich when his unit was there in 1945.

They are albums filled with Nazi propaganda photos from 1939 and 1940. In appearance they are well-made photo albums filled with 4" x 6" pictures, mounted on thick paper with onion skin dividers. I understand they were produced in limited quantity for selected recipients. Presumably the hotel where these were found is an example. The albums themselves are about 12 1/4" x 17" in size and quite thick. After looking through part of the 1939 album I estimate they each hold in excess 250 photos. I will post photos of the outer cover, the title page and a sample of photos below. Not remembering much of my high school German I am unable to decipher much of the text but there are two names on the title page, Ernst Braeckow and Prof. Heinrich Hoffman.

So, are any of you familiar with these albums? I should think they have historical value. They would be a great contribution to this project when it is time for WWII + 80 Years, but I don't want to start scanning pictures or otherwise putting the albums at risk before we know more about what my friend has.

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15 posted on 05/30/2014 12:25:13 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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“Greater Germany World Yearbook,” or something like that?

They remind me of the yearbooks my father received from his squadrons and ships when he was in the Navy, with photos of the personnel and accomplishments of the year.


16 posted on 05/30/2014 12:39:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I should have searched on the names before the previous post. The albums are well documented on the internet.

http://www.debooks4u.com/ww2-nazi-photo-album-1940-w320-ph-greater-germany-in-world-affairs-grossdeutschland-im-weltgeschehen-tagesbildberichte-p-566.html


17 posted on 05/30/2014 12:42:17 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; BroJoeK; henkster; fso301; Tax-chick; Rebelbase; CougarGA7; All
Henkster is your man on the German, but some googling turned up copies of these in the National Archives and Library of Congress:

Title: Grossdeutschland im Weltgeschehen Tagesbilderberichte 1939 [-1942] Title Translation: Greater Germany in the affairs of the world.

Third Reich Collection (Library of Congress) DLC

Date Created/Published: Berlin : Verlag Joh. Kasper & Co., 1939-1942.

Summary: German photographs depicting the progress of the war at the battle fronts and at home, 1939-1942. Adolf Hitler giving speeches, receiving foreign diplomats, at Nazi party gatherings, kissing babies. Göring and Goebbels. German troops entering conquered cities, military equipment, submarines, ships, English prisoners of war, captured American troop transport, etc. Also aerial dogfight over England, 1940; formation of Junkers Ju88 bombers in flight, 1941; and Stuka (Junkers Ju 87) dive bombers flying in formation over Russia, 1942.

http://research.archives.gov/description/540206

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2003690515/

Looks like your friend has a pretty cool artifact.

18 posted on 05/30/2014 12:58:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Does that book website originate in Germany? Hitler’s face and swastikas are censored.


19 posted on 05/30/2014 1:19:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker

Colorado tanker is correct in identifying the article. And it is quite a find. I’d love to spend an afternoon with it. Looking at the lower left hand photo, it appears to be Hitler receiving a bowing Goering while a high ranking Luftwaffe officer looks on. Given time I could probably ID him. Also, it looks like Rudolph Hess in profile in the partial photo on the right.

It’s hard to make out the description written under the photo; the resolution isn’t that good and it’s in the faux Gothic font the Germans were fond of using when they wanted to put on airs. It can be difficult to read, although I can make out some of it.


20 posted on 05/30/2014 1:30:11 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Oops, never mind about the Hess thing. It’s not him on further review. Having trouble with resolution on my tablet.


21 posted on 05/30/2014 1:35:34 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I thought I also recognized the name of your author, Heinrich Hoffman. A little more on him from Wikipedia:

Hoffmann worked in his father's photographic shop and as a photographer in Munich from 1908.[1] He joined the NSDAP in 1920 and was chosen by its new leader Hitler as his official photographer. A photograph taken by Hoffman in Munich's Odeonsplatz on 2 August 1914 purports to show a young Hitler among the crowds cheering the outbreak of World War I and was used in Nazi propaganda; its authenticity has been questioned.[2] Hitler and Hoffman became close friends—so close, in fact, that when Hitler became the ruler of Germany, Hoffmann was the only man authorized to take official photographs of him. Hoffmann's photographs were published as postage stamps, postcards, posters and picture books. Following Hoffmann's suggestion, both he and Hitler received royalties from all uses of Hitler's image (even on postage stamps), which made the photographer wealthy. In 1933 he was elected to the Reichstag and in 1938 Hitler appointed him a 'Professor'.

22 posted on 05/30/2014 1:40:54 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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That is quite the find there. Heinrich Hoffmann was a photographer, and dedicated Nazi who took some of the most candid pictures of Adolf Hitler ever taken. He also wrote books on the Fuhrer. A true believer lets say.

This is a year book in photos. Weltgeschehen, roughly translates to world occurrence (world events).

tagesbildberichte would be “daily pictorial report”. (One thing that is nice about German is when they want a new word, they just string together a bunch of old ones)

Can you get a clearer picture of one of the photo’s subscript? I’d like to see what it says and these old eyes cant make out the ones on this one picture.

This is extremely cool.


23 posted on 05/30/2014 1:46:49 PM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Tax-chick; henkster; Homer_J_Simpson
Congress is again scapegoating Adm. Kimmel for the screw-ups of many leading to Pearl Harbor. Not that Kimmel didn't contribute his share.

After the war, Adm. Nimitz said it was "God's mercy" that the fleet was in port at the time of the attack. He believed that had Kimmel known of the impending attack he would have sallied the fleet out to attack the Japanese fleet, but the slow U.S. battleships would not have gotten within range of the Japanese carriers before they would have been attacked. The result, he believed, would have been a lot of ships sunk in deep water, instead of the shallow waters of Pearl where most of the sunk ships were eventually re-floated. Maybe he was just being nice to an old salt who was vilified for causing the Pearl disaster, but it's an interesting viewpoint.

24 posted on 05/30/2014 5:16:31 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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As I recall from the recent biography of Adm. Nimitz, he was scrupulously devoted to present and future operational effectiveness, and refused to be drawn into bickering or recriminations. “How does this help the war effort?” was his attitude.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 5:21:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I had some wild friends ... we did some crazy things.)
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To: Tax-chick

Besides being one of the best commanders of the War, Admiral Nimitz was a class act.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 5:33:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker; Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick

Kimmel was unfairly lumped together with Short for the Show Trial. It was solely the responsibility of the United States Army for the defense of the islands, the naval base, and while it was there, the Fleet. Whose radar station spotted the incoming Japanese attack? Whose planes, which were to provide for air defense, were lined up on their aifields wingtip to wingtip? Which branch of the service ran the air defense operations center?

The only naval failure I am aware of was in the chain of command by not taking action on the attack on the midget sub in the harbor entrance. But even had it been reported, the Fleet was not in any position to make a meaningful defense. Had Chester Nimitz been in command on December 7, 1941, the result would likely have been the same. As it was the Japanese pilots were amazed at how quickly the fleet reacted with a vigorous anti aircraft defense that eventually bagged 25 to 27 of the 29 Japanese planes lost.

Short was a relic of the last war, incomptent and unfit. Kimmel, on the other hand, was by all accounts considered a good commander. I think it was Gordon Prange who wrote that the best thing that came out of Kimmel’s relief was that it allowed the United States Navy to replace a good commander with a great one.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 7:44:57 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster; colorado tanker; Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick
Kimmel was unfairly lumped together with Short for the Show Trial. It was solely the responsibility of the United States Army for the defense of the islands, the naval base, and while it was there, the Fleet.

I think we have to look at the broader picture that the Left has always excised from the Pearl Harbor story and consider that in Feb 1941 CinCPac James O. Richardson was sacked by FDR for warning against moving the fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor since Pearl would be an obvious first point of attack by Japan. Richardson's opinion appeared to have wide support in the navy.

FDR replaced Richardson with Kimmel as CinCPac in February 1941 and we know what happened after that.

The only naval failure I am aware of was in the chain of command by not taking action on the attack on the midget sub in the harbor entrance.

Another naval failure to consider is in light of the recent war alerts, why are so many long range naval patrol aircraft in varying states of disrepair seen in the below photograph taken on Ford Island?


28 posted on 05/31/2014 7:17:43 AM PDT by fso301
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To: CougarGA7; henkster; Tax-chick; BroJoeK; colorado tanker; fso301; Rebelbase
Can you get a clearer picture of one of the photo’s subscript? I’d like to see what it says and these old eyes cant make out the ones on this one picture.

I photocopied a sample from each album and scanned them for posting. They came out a little better.

Top - 10-17 Jan 39, bottom - 1-6 Feb 39

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Top - 1-10 Sep 39, bottom - 17-24 Nov 39

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Top - 25-31 Jan 40, bottom - 25-30 Apr 40

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Top - 10-20 Aug 40, bottom - 17-24 Oct 40

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29 posted on 05/31/2014 8:10:06 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Here are the three photos I originally posted in reply #15 above, then deleted them from photobucket without thinking first.

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30 posted on 05/31/2014 8:14:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: henkster; Homer_J_Simpson; colorado tanker; Tax-chick
Nimitz won’t even hint of the Purple JN 25 decrypts in his own confidential diary.

Back in '42, he appeared less careful.

March 1

Enemy radio was intercepted which showed that some of our aviators had been made prisoners at Wake, and that they had told a good many truths about Pearl Harbor.

March 3

Radio intelligence indicates some kind of an offensive against the Hawaiian area, possibly tomorrow, employing large seaplanes and submarines based in the Marshalls. An alert was sent to all forces.

April 18

The raid on TOKYO and vicinity has caused the Japs to search with their air, surface, and submarine units, This search maY possibly delay the SW Pac offensive as the RYUKAKU probably is at sea searching as are air units from the KAGA. It should be noted that (l) this raid ties up important forces for a long time ( 2) The military damage is small (3) the risk of loosing a CV is great (4) Bombing of shore objectives in this manner does not altogether agree with Cominch strategy (his 171750 referred to yesterday). The raid does have, however, great public approval. As one result of this raid we see the good work being done by our radio intelligence.

May 16.

Unless the enemy is using radio deception on a grand scale, we have a fairly good idea of his intentions. Of most interest is his preparation for an offensive in the Central or North Pacific. It seems quite possible that Orange will attack Midway and raid Oahu the first part of June. Present air weakness in the Hawaiian Sea Frontier makes it mandatory to employ a strong striking force in the area The striking force can be assisted by a BB covering force. BBs will be moved out from the coast if the problem of protecting light forces can be solved. The views of Cominch and Cincpac are shown ln the Aidacs attached.

July 24, 1942.

Japanese Naval Operations; Estimate of.

1. GENERAL

(a) There has been no mention of Midway in the radio traffic since the middle of June. Kiska and vicinity have been repeatedly mentioned as has Dutch Harbor, the latter place in connection with Radio Intelligence reports. No other American areas have been mentioned. Various areas in the Solomons have been very prominent including Guadalcanal and a place name designation believed to be Buna or possibly Gona.

17 August (Cont'd)

It is not at all certain that the Jap CV's are still in home waters. They may be using a bit of Radio deception. It is certain however that the Jap will soon make a determined effort to recapture GUADALCANAL. There are no indications of enemy moves toward the North or Central Pacific Areas.


31 posted on 05/31/2014 9:48:31 AM PDT by fso301
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I agree Kimmel should not have received the degree of scorn that he did. As you said, according to military protocol at that time, the protection of ships while they were in port fell upon the Army. General Short was ultimately responsible for all the facilities in the Hawaiian Department, including those ships at dock.

That said, there were things that Short was trying to accomplish before the attack that would have made the islands more defensible that just couldn’t get done.

For example, he had gotten approval and some of the appropriations to build hardened hangars at Hickam. What he didn’t have was the personnel to do the work or the materials to start construction. When he asked for materials he was told by the war department that he needed to get those from local vendors. The local vendors though could not get shipments of raw materials from the main land because priority for those materials were elsewhere. (ie. Philippines, stateside facilities, Lend-Lease)

So while I agree that Short was inadequate for the defense of the islands (he really didn’t want to be there), he also was not given the support he needed to even put up a feeble attempt.


32 posted on 05/31/2014 1:17:19 PM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

These are really awesome. Some of the captions are surprisingly vague. Who the heck is that baby Hitler is playing with? “The fuhrer with a private attendant with General Field Marshal Goring”. I’m pretty certain that baby is not Goring.


33 posted on 05/31/2014 1:23:02 PM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Ugh, that writing is hard to read. The captured memo is discussed as an order to the 148th British Infantry Brigade. The caption mentions that the England had prepared for a move in Norway for months, and that the Nazi’s stopped their brutal game before it could start.

I wish I had more time to look at this.


34 posted on 05/31/2014 1:37:57 PM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting little article on where the government “stimulus” program of buying up eggs got to be so much that they ended up turning the eggs into dog food.

I wonder if this is the origin of the term “This _____ is going to the dogs.”


35 posted on 05/31/2014 1:46:18 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: fso301

Nimitz’ entries are ambiguous. These entires could be interpreted at traffic analysis, which could reveal the information without necessarily breaking the underlying code. On the other hand, it does appear that in order to remove any of the ambiguity, he is avoiding any reference to intelligence.

Nice pick up on the earlier diary entires. They are a great resource and part of my daily reading.


36 posted on 05/31/2014 3:47:43 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Nimitz’ entries are ambiguous. These entires could be interpreted at traffic analysis, which could reveal the information without necessarily breaking the underlying code.

At the time I read them, the color purple flashed across my mind primarily due to the March 3 entry which clearly referenced Operation K and the May 16 entry predicting an early June attack on Midway and/or Oahu.

I don't see how Operation K could have been deduced so accurately via traffic analysis alone.

The Japanese employed massive radio deception for the Pearl Harbor raid and I don't know why they wouldn't have done similar for Midway. The May 16 entry might be referencing sloppy radio discipline but the Japanese knew that despite transmissions being encoded, they could still be detected and located. We know about reports of the fresh water situation on Midway but a quick flash widely distant might have been made by a submarine, long range patrol aircraft, or not even detected due to unfavorable radio conditions.

The gut wrenching entry is March 1

Enemy radio was intercepted which showed that some of our aviators had been made prisoners at Wake, and that they had told a good many truths about Pearl Harbor.
One hates to imagine how the Kempeitai learned of those truths. One does wonder how Nimitz learned of it, clear channel communication, or decryption? I'm unsure what other options there might be?
37 posted on 05/31/2014 5:10:52 PM PDT by fso301
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I agree Kimmel should not have received the degree of scorn that he did.

Given the controversy surrounding his recent promotion to CinCPac and given his response to repeat war alerts by keeping long range naval patrol aircraft under his command on the ground, what should have been done?

38 posted on 05/31/2014 5:19:11 PM PDT by fso301
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I thought I also recognized the name of your author, Heinrich Hoffman. A little more on him from Wikipedia:

And Mr. Hoffman employed a young assistant named Eva Braun.

39 posted on 05/31/2014 5:30:25 PM PDT by fso301
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what should have been done? What should have been done was to have the armed forces of the United States ready to fight a war on December 7 1941. We weren't. But at least we weren't as criminally unprepared as the admed forces of the USSR on June 22, 1941.
40 posted on 05/31/2014 5:45:43 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: 21twelve
That's probably not the origin of "going to the dogs." Google Ngrams has references all the way back to the 1840s.
41 posted on 05/31/2014 5:49:57 PM PDT by untenured
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The caption of the first photo more or less says its a conference in Rome between Neville Chamberlain and his Foreign Minister and the Duce and Count Ciano to discuss Mediterranean issues.


42 posted on 05/31/2014 5:56:48 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The second photos says : “A private visit from the Fuhrer to Field Marshal Goering.” Just politicking as usual for Hitler. Kissing hands and shaking babies.


43 posted on 05/31/2014 5:59:50 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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What should have been done was to have the armed forces of the United States ready to fight a war on December 7 1941.

I certainly agree with that.

But at least we weren't as criminally unprepared as the admed forces of the USSR on June 22, 1941.

Imagine their state of unpreparedness if they hadn't undertaken that adventure in Finland.

44 posted on 05/31/2014 6:00:18 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; CougarGA7; colorado tanker; fso301

The third photo states that the Fuhrer is recieving a report from soldiers about combat and their wounds at a military hospital/rehabilitation center.


45 posted on 05/31/2014 6:05:22 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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I’m having some trouble with the 4th photo, but the gist of it is that the soldiers did not suffer a loss of morale during the battle. They had a great deal of success and enjoyment in seizing enemy equipment, for example this former French ammunition carrier and wagon.

This must have been after the fall of France.


46 posted on 05/31/2014 6:15:36 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster
this former French ammunition carrier and wagon.

I was wondering what that thing was and was about to make a sneering comment on the German love of narrow tracks.

47 posted on 05/31/2014 6:23:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: untenured

Cool - bookmarking that!


48 posted on 05/31/2014 6:34:19 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; CougarGA7; colorado tanker; fso301

The 8th photo is also a follow up to the Battle of Britain. It more or less states that in the battle, there were many successes, particularly by Maj. Molders (left) and Maj. Galland (right). Goering is receiving combat reports from both of these highly accomplished fighter pilots. (And they both were.)


49 posted on 05/31/2014 7:00:53 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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The 7th photo states: “England was the target of ceaseless attacks by the German Luftwaffe. Armed reconaissance identified English targets such as harbors, airfields, and munitions factories, and they were attacked by long range bombing DO 215s.”


50 posted on 05/31/2014 7:02:41 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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