Posted on 06/12/2014 9:22:30 AM PDT by RaveOn
This is the story of an IT worker who was replaced by a worker on an H-1B visa, one of a number of visa holders, mostly from India, who took jobs at this U.S. company. Computerworld is not going to use the worker's name or identify the companies involved to protect the former employee from retaliation. For purposes of this story, the worker has been given initials -- A.B. (They're not the person's real initials.)
At A.B.'s company, about 220 IT jobs have been lost to offshore outsourcing over the last year. A.B. is telling the story because, initially, there was little knowledge among fellow employees about H-1B visa holders and how they are used. They didn't know that offshore outsourcing firms are the largest users of H-1B visas, or exactly how this visa facilitates IT job losses in the U.S.
"I think once we learned about it, we became angrier toward the U.S. government than we were with the people that were over here from India," A.B. said, "because the government is allowing this."
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Those contacts come in very, very handy at times like this.
I went through something like that. My boss asked me to do a financial study to see what the cost would be to bring in coders from India to replace 50% of the team. When asked what would happen to the 50%, he said it wasn’t my concern.
I did my study, handed it in and without looking at it he told me I was going to present it to senior management. Ok...I’m now screwed because I put a big caveat in the study.
The afternoon of my presentation, my boss comes running into my office telling me I cannot present this. I asked him why. This is what he said:
“How can you say that hiring 20 offshore coders would cost more than leaving the same group of people in place? “ My boss never took into consideration the costs of fixing all the crap code that comes from offshore. In addition, because they are literal, any requirement that is vague will either not be coded or coded incorrectly. And they won’t tell you unless you specifically ask.
I been through this a half dozen times and stopped off shoring every time. They are great for project support, running database queries and creating documentation templates. Anything else, they are worthless.
this is not new
Part of the answer to that is if your boss asks you to train a replacement under those kinds of circumstances, say “I quit”, and get up and walk out.
Training their illegal alien replacement has been the rule for American workers in blue collar and restaurants, and the trades and construction and automotive, etc., etc., etc., for almost 50 years in America.
I wonder if the IT guys were hiring illegals to do their landscaping and roofing jobs, and maid work?
They have done that.
We just hired an intern, who graduated from a great school and had a number of prior internships during schooling.
None of the firms hired her. We only hired her for a summer position that is typically filled by a sophomore.
And we had six other resumes just like her’s to choose from.
Most had a GPA above 3.5. One had one as a 4.0.
I called the placement department at my old alma mater (Iowa State) to see what was up. When I graduated, everyone in my class had a job or plans for higher education. Now, placement is below 50% for all engineers.
Starting wages in my field are now lower than in 1998 when I graduated, if you can find a job (even in North Dakota, as there are a lot of Canadian engineers moving in now). One friend of mine had been up there for a while just got his notice (along with most of his team). Since the company is Canadian, I guess it makes sense to hire their own.
I stand by my statement. Stay out of the STEM field, the jobs are not there.
“Now, placement is below 50% for all engineers.”
Hmm. My daughter is a recent Iowa State engineering grad. She was very plugged in while in school and interned; made lots of connections. She has now a great job a nuclear power plant with tons of upwards mobility it appears.
She got her degree in 4 years, and worked while in school; no student loans; and was involved in different student groups. So that’s my perspective on Iowa State engineering grads.
The 50% number seems WAY to low. I will email her and ask her what numbers she hears.
Key sentences. Their culture does not encourage initiative and they will not tell you they don't know. I've had Indians, who were not dummies (MAs in math, etc.), who would just look at you and say, with a smile and an agreeable nod, "Yes? Yes?" any time they were presented with a problem that was not spelled out in minute detail.
I don’t know of any parent sending their kids off for STEM degrees and been that way for a good decade now.
Typical establishment Republican response.
You have the facts, logic, morality, and the rules on your side.
And you still get your ass kicked.
I get reminders of the mixed quality of international coders when our system data pull bring up a notice “pooling”.
When I tried to explain it, they said it was the same word - it sounded the same.
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“Training their illegal alien replacement has been the rule for American workers in blue collar and restaurants, and the trades and construction and automotive, etc., etc., etc., for almost 50 years in America.
I wonder if the IT guys were hiring illegals to do their landscaping and roofing jobs, and maid work?”
This is VERY true...no one seems to care when they are getting great deals on cheap foreign cars, products, services, until this goes up the food chain.
That word, they do know - because if you interview them and ask them if they are familiar with/know how to do/understand the principles of x, the ONLY correct answer is...
YES!
Don’t confuse someone buying a TV that wasn’t made in the US, to someone hiring someone in the country illegally.
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