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How to Hack a Car: Phreaked Out
Motherboard ^ | 5-29-14 | Motherboard

Posted on 06/15/2014 5:39:24 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

These days, your car isn't a car - it's a rolling computer platform. You don't drive it as much as you give the computer commands and then let it carry them out. That's why the idea of hackers breaking into car computers is so terrifying. You have to see this video showing the scary reality of car hacking.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: cars; hacking

1 posted on 06/15/2014 5:39:24 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Time to reassess mode of travel.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 5:42:27 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: TurboZamboni
If someone on an Interstate overpass somehow succeeds in causing a car's steering wheel to suddenly lurch sharply to the left,causing a serious accident,I wonder if the perp can be identified.
3 posted on 06/15/2014 5:44:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Kackikat

just drive an older car and stay off the NSA tea party list


4 posted on 06/15/2014 5:47:53 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: TurboZamboni

Forbes Demonstrates “Car Hacking” the Michael Hastings Murder Method
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CpPAjVh3dM

CNN: Hackers Take Control of Car’s Steering, Brakes and Gas Pedal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIybGFgpQ8o


5 posted on 06/15/2014 5:48:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: TurboZamboni

We have an old pick up, and I never join groups, I’m an independent.

So park the new vehicles and go back to the old...Oy veh! The price of gas going up, and that truck isn’t like my small compact. I’ll just stay home and cook, I guess.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 5:51:06 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: TurboZamboni

If you drive a real old one you might even be able to still work on it yourself


7 posted on 06/15/2014 5:51:24 PM PDT by scottteng (Suntrust Bank is the worlds worst stay away!)
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To: scottteng
yeah but my car has started to burn or something a little oil....its 210,000 miles... a camry...wonderful car..but I know the writing is on the wall...

I want to get an older vehilce but not too old...I want it onstarless....

8 posted on 06/15/2014 5:53:57 PM PDT by cherry
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To: TurboZamboni

Yeah, right...here’s another example of Techno-BS on FR.

Pay attention at 3:45 when he says “You just have to (poll?) these two wires in the CANBUS network, it costs 25 bucks”.

Then at 4:20 he describes going to a car, attaching the “CHD” then going home and connecting to it via his PC.

Then read what it says at 6:43: “Vehicle has been equipped with third-party hardware for demo purposes. In stock form it is not vulnerable to these attacks”.

So why post bull#hit like this? If I apply a third-party wrecker to any car I can tow it home with me, but so what? All this crap does is promote scientific paranoia.

It’s impossible to remotely access the CANBUS on an unmodified production vehicle via a wireless connection. Period.

Think otherwise, bring proof and not some stupid youtube video that even itself admits it is phony.


9 posted on 06/15/2014 5:55:49 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: TurboZamboni

I thought about that reporter a while back who ran into a tree at full speed while on his way to post a story.


10 posted on 06/15/2014 6:00:03 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: bigbob

Thanks for an excellent post.

Thank God there’s still a few FReepers willing to do their own critical analysis.


11 posted on 06/15/2014 6:00:14 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: bigbob

How hard would it be to attach a device to the canbus wires surreptitiously while the car is in the shop, wait for car to come into range of, say, city provided WiFi and slam the vehicle?
Just asking.


12 posted on 06/15/2014 6:05:13 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: TurboZamboni

I despise websites that start making noise as soon as you load them.


13 posted on 06/15/2014 6:05:36 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: TurboZamboni

Old plain-color Buicks with the 3800 engine that gets 30+ MPG on the highway is the ticket. They’ll go 3 or 400K before they’re done, and they keep a very generic low profile on the road.


14 posted on 06/15/2014 6:08:33 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Kackikat

An old VW Rabbit diesel gets as hood mpg as anything on the toad today.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 6:08:55 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Darksheare

With direct access to the vehicle and the ability to add hardware, it would be easy-peasy. Like planting a bomb in one 80 years ago.

Any additional hardware would likely leave traces, as would altered code IF someone took the time and expense to look.


16 posted on 06/15/2014 6:10:34 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Pretty convenient that preimpact explosion and fire, right?


17 posted on 06/15/2014 6:13:25 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I saw one compact car in Australia on TV, that had gone for lots of miles...several hundred thousands...it was a diesel.


18 posted on 06/15/2014 6:13:30 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Darksheare

Indeed.

A mentally unstable Commie wiping out a car at high speed doesn’t seem too odd. A fire isn’t too weird either. But a raging inferno? That’s odd.


19 posted on 06/15/2014 6:17:47 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Somebody went full Hollywood on the effects.


20 posted on 06/15/2014 6:22:57 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: TurboZamboni

I CAN SEE NO DOWNSIDE!


21 posted on 06/15/2014 6:34:47 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Dr. Sivana
An old VW Rabbit diesel gets as hood mpg as anything on the toad today.

Yes, but I stay out of the hood and don't get on the toad. And bunnies are just for carrying pancakes on their head.

22 posted on 06/15/2014 6:39:15 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: TurboZamboni

‘91 Jetta Diesel... mechanical injection, no computer... I wish VW would retool and make an identical car... I would pay $50k for it... knowing I would get 325,000 miles on it, no problem.


23 posted on 06/15/2014 6:44:52 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

You’d probably have to go to a 3rd world country where emissions regs are far less stringent, poach the drivetrain, and surreptitiously swap it into a chassis you could register legally in the US.


24 posted on 06/15/2014 6:50:23 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: cherry

Just cause it is changing its own oil now is no reason to get rid of it drive it til it dies then put a used or rebuilt engine into it. Good used Toyota engines are available from Japan where they make them change em. Probably just some seals or gaskets going on the oil.


25 posted on 06/15/2014 6:50:55 PM PDT by scottteng (Suntrust Bank is the worlds worst stay away!)
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To: TurboZamboni; All

If you’re shopping for a vehicle, ask salesman about vehicle security issues. If sales person acts stupid after showing them the video, then use your wallet to steer the market for safe systems and shop the lot across the street.


26 posted on 06/15/2014 7:05:01 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Darksheare

Sorry, handbrake-cable operated directly to brakes. No computer is engaging that.

No satellite in my car.

Steering wheel is directly connected to rack and pinion, no computer is turning my car.

I could go on, it’s a 2002.


27 posted on 06/15/2014 7:05:46 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: TurboZamboni
Suspicions Growing Over Death of Journalist Probing NSA and CIA Abuses
28 posted on 06/15/2014 7:18:09 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Just try and hack my ‘55 chevy you geeks!

CC


29 posted on 06/15/2014 7:20:20 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: bicyclerepair

2001 here.
But there is a remote kill command via the panic button on the key fob...


30 posted on 06/15/2014 7:39:11 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: cherry

When we were shopping around for my vehicle several years ago, I insisted on having onstar. When we went to pick it up, it was lacking onstar so I wasn’t a happy camper. Now, I’m ever so thankful for the mix up.


31 posted on 06/15/2014 8:10:27 PM PDT by bgill
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To: TurboZamboni

The car was modified before they could take control. They more or less installed Onstar


32 posted on 06/15/2014 8:13:17 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Gay State Conservative

On my 2004 Ford, it has,the bus talked about here, but there is no way to turn the steering wheel, except through “hands-on” on the wheel itself.


33 posted on 06/15/2014 8:24:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: scottteng

You can work on the new ones, too ... you just have to become familiar with those systems, just like you had to become familiar with the systems in the old days. It’s different, but it’s not beyond being a backyard mechanic and doing so. It’s just learning and understanding.


34 posted on 06/15/2014 8:31:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

It is not so much the actual work it is the diagnostics with so many sensors and computer components the shops have highly expensive computerized diagnostic machines to pinpoint a component gone bad but the old method of throwing parts at something gets expensive quick. Plus I admit the older I get the less want-to I possess.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 4:50:06 AM PDT by scottteng (Suntrust Bank is the worlds worst stay away!)
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To: PAR35
An old VW Rabbit diesel gets as hood mpg as anything on the toad today.

Fat fingers, an iPod Touch, and a wife hurrying me for dinner are a bad combination for successful posting.
36 posted on 06/16/2014 4:52:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I’ve gotten similar results from the autocorrect on my Fire.


37 posted on 06/16/2014 4:53:39 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Star Traveler
...but there is no way to turn the steering wheel, except through “hands-on” on the wheel itself.

I just saw a video the other day which showed a hacker causing the steering wheel to turn suddenly.He said it had something to do with the automatic parking feature that some cars have.He said he was able to trick the car's computer into thinking they were in reverse and,having done so,he caused the wheel to turn by itself.IIRC it was in a Prius but I'm not 100% certain of that.It's that video that caused me to ask my original question.

38 posted on 06/16/2014 7:28:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It might be on some cars (like the Google self-driving car), but it’s certainly not on mine. It would be on those cars, however, that can “park themselves” ... :-) ...


39 posted on 06/16/2014 7:31:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Dr. Sivana
An old VW Rabbit diesel gets as hood mpg as anything on the toad today.

Assuming you meant "road" (don't worry,the *Army* taught me how to type) the diesel I just bought is rated at 45mpg (highway) and I've actually gotten 49mpg on a long trip on the Interstate.

40 posted on 06/16/2014 7:33:12 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Assuming you meant "road" (don't worry,the *Army* taught me how to type) the diesel I just bought is rated at 45mpg (highway) and I've actually gotten 49mpg on a long trip on the Interstate.

Yup, and the Rabbit will match that. Good for people who cannot afford a new car or don't want a lot of computers under the hood.
41 posted on 06/16/2014 7:35:11 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Star Traveler
It might be on some cars (like the Google self-driving car), but it’s certainly not on mine. It would be on those cars, however, that can “park themselves”

Yes,it was a car that was able to "park itself".IIRC that feature has only appeared in the last couple of years so the car in question is very probably more recent than yours...meaning more computers able to do more things.

42 posted on 06/16/2014 7:37:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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