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MH370: Plane Deliberately Set on Autopilot 'West of Sumatra' When it Ran Out of Fuel and Crashed
Yahoo News ^ | June 26, 2014 | Lydia Smith / IB Times

Posted on 06/26/2014 9:53:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was "highly likely" on autopilot when it ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean, Australian researchers have said.

A new search area for the missing Boeing 777 plane has been announced by the Australian government ....

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Trust confirmed the search will move further south to an area 1,800km (1,100 miles) off the western coast of Australia....

An expert group has reviewed the existing information on MH370, revealing that is it probable that the plane was on autopilot when it ended its flight.

Truss said it was "highly, highly likely that the aircraft was on autopilot" when it went down.

"Otherwise it could not have followed the orderly path that has been identified through the satellite sightings," he told reporters.

Martin Dolan, commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is leading the search, said the plane was believed to have been deliberately set to autopilot "somewhere off the western tip of Sumatra" - although the exact point at which it was set is unknown.

The assessment was based on the understanding that the plane flew on a straight path.

"Certainly for its path across the Indian Ocean we are confident that the aircraft was operating on autopilot until it went out of fuel," he said.

A 64-page report revealed at a press conference on Thursday revealed the search would now be covering up to 60,000 square kilometres along narrow arc in the Indian Ocean, which has been identified as the most likely resting place of MH370.

"The new priority area is still focused on the seventh arc, where the aircraft last communicated with satellite.

"We are now shifting our attention to an area further south along the arc based on these calculations."

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Travel
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"orderly path" on autopilot through those Inmarsat arcs -- who are they kidding???

The Aussies and Malaysians want to have their cake and eat it too.

It could not have flown a straight path at a fixed speed on autopilot, hitting those hourly Inmarsat ping arcs on schedule, no matter how many "highly"s he wants want to use.

The fix is in -- the autopilot had better get himself a good lawyer.

1 posted on 06/26/2014 9:53:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Pilots don’t hand fly jets anymore except on take off and landing. Once on course it’s all autopilot so the idea that the pilot deliberately put it on autopilot is suspicious reporting. MHO


2 posted on 06/26/2014 9:58:31 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Uncle Chip

So, what’s this, the 8th “official” story on what happened to the flight?


3 posted on 06/26/2014 9:58:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Uncle Chip
Why they didn't know this from the beginning, if it's true?
4 posted on 06/26/2014 10:00:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Uncle Chip
MH370 was "highly likely" on autopilot when it ran out of fuel and crashed

Read: "We don't have a clue what happened."

5 posted on 06/26/2014 10:04:51 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They keep us hopping from one foot to the other, until the Malaysian 777 crashes into NYC packed w/crude radiological material or carries an EMP over CONUS.


6 posted on 06/26/2014 10:05:10 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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The Inmarsat arcs are here and the new search area about S32E96:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V_2D_2.png

and where the red and yellow flight paths intersect here is that place referred to as “somewhere off the western tip of Sumatra” where the autopilot was engaged:

https://www.facebook.com/178566888854999/photos/pcb.740971779281171/740971732614509/?type=1&theater


8 posted on 06/26/2014 10:07:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The autopilot may have been distracted.


9 posted on 06/26/2014 10:08:33 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Uncle Chip

I knew he looked shady.................

10 posted on 06/26/2014 10:08:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,743 threads and 84,837 replies.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They would have better luck catching the hobo in mid air on AF 1 than at the white hut.


11 posted on 06/26/2014 10:08:49 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SkyDancer
... the idea that the pilot deliberately put it on autopilot is suspicious reporting. MHO

Not if he wanted to kill himself and everyone else as well. ...

12 posted on 06/26/2014 10:10:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,743 threads and 84,837 replies.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Could it be highly likely that we will never find the plane but that it will find us, some day?


13 posted on 06/26/2014 10:10:56 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Uncle Chip
It's parked in Pakistan!
14 posted on 06/26/2014 10:12:10 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL —


15 posted on 06/26/2014 10:13:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: LyinLibs

Yep, show me the wreckage or shut-up!


16 posted on 06/26/2014 10:15:25 AM PDT by Envisioning (It's the Jihad, stupid......)
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To: Red Badger; SkyDancer

He didn’t have to commit suicide. His brain exploded as he tried to figure out what fixed speed to set the autopilot on so the plane could hit those tricky Inmarsat arcs on an hourly schedule to the hinterlands:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V_2D_2.png


17 posted on 06/26/2014 10:22:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger

Thing is the plane should have been on autopilot all along. My guess he hand flew it into the ocean just like that B767 of Egypt Air off Long Island.


18 posted on 06/26/2014 10:22:11 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Red Badger

Thing is the plane should have been on autopilot all along. My guess he hand flew it into the ocean just like that B767 of Egypt Air off Long Island. You don’t put it on autopilot if you intend to crash it.


19 posted on 06/26/2014 10:22:53 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Uncle Chip

“orderly path” on autopilot through those Inmarsat arcs — who are they kidding???
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You must not believe the satellite data. That data is ambiguous in only two areas. Based on what I have read here is what I believe.

1. The plane could have flown a northern route and magically avoided many radar systems or a southern route where it would not pass any surveillance radars. The satellite system cannot on its own resolve that ambiguity. But it rules out any other routes.

2. Since the satellite system is a time of arrival system there is an error margin on the actual location of the aircraft for each data point. It is probable that taking the speed of the aircraft into consideration would reduce the size of these error margins. Drawing a line north to south through the center points of the error circles/ellipses for each data point will show the most likely northern and southern routes.

What this article says is that, even considering the error margins, the range of possible paths appear to look like the aircraft was on autopilot. That would apply to either a northern or southern route. The lack of radar detection makes the southern route the obvious choice.


20 posted on 06/26/2014 10:23:57 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Uncle Chip

That too. Seems he ran simulations on his home computer. Speaking of which, AOPA has this nifty simulator - problem is it costs like $2500 .... and that’s without the rudder pedals - extra $250(....


21 posted on 06/26/2014 10:25:31 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer
You don’t put it on autopilot if you intend to crash it.

You do if you are CS muslim and don't want to be awake or conscious when the end comes and really want to screw up the investigation of what really happened.................

22 posted on 06/26/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,743 threads and 84,837 replies.)
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To: InterceptPoint

<>autopilot<>

Here are the Inmarsat arcs:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/V_2D_2.png

The place where it allegedly went on autopilot is ~S4E93 at 4:11 and dropped in the ocean ~S32E97 at 8:11 — that’s 1940 miles over 4 hours.

I would love to see a straight line from point to point through those arcs that allows for a fixed speed hour by hour over those 4 hours.

If I’m reading that chart correctly, the autopilot would have had to fly the first hour at 307 mph and the last hour at 700mph — and that not only bad autopiloting, but it’s also impossible.


23 posted on 06/26/2014 10:47:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger

Good point. But what about the FO? Was he in on it? Guess so.


24 posted on 06/26/2014 10:53:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

Razor to the throat...................


25 posted on 06/26/2014 10:56:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,743 threads and 84,837 replies.)
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To: Uncle Chip

If I’m reading that chart correctly, the autopilot would have had to fly the first hour at 307 mph and the last hour at 700mph — and that not only bad autopiloting, but it’s also impossible.
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Could be but the plot must be a projection from points on a sphere to a flat surface so that would need to be taken into consideration. Plus I don’t understand how whoever made this plot drew the straight line. As you noted, they should have used constant velocity to choose the points and then see if that curve maps to straight line.

Despite the plot, they must have done that to draw the conclusion they did. Don’t you think?


26 posted on 06/26/2014 11:12:55 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Red Badger

I think by now its part of 100k pepsi cans in china.....


27 posted on 06/26/2014 11:15:58 AM PDT by Therapsid
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To: Uncle Chip

King Kong’s home, Skull Island, is 40 miles west of Sumatra. Hmmmm.


28 posted on 06/26/2014 11:17:38 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Therapsid

It may never be found, and even if it is may never be recovered..........................


29 posted on 06/26/2014 11:18:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,743 threads and 84,837 replies.)
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To: InterceptPoint

That straight line is the yellow flight path here drawn by the NTSB:

https://www.facebook.com/178566888854999/photos/pcb.740971779281171/740971732614509/?type=1&theater

It’s not that far for the sphere to significantly come into play. But you can recheck the numbers here:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gccalc.shtml

It’s either autopilot or Inmarsat arcs — it can’t be both.


30 posted on 06/26/2014 11:24:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“Truss said it was “highly, highly likely “

Truss is a certified moron. Is “highly, highly likely” anything like “super duper sure, almost”?


31 posted on 06/26/2014 12:00:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s not that far for the sphere to significantly come into play. But you can recheck the numbers here:
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4 hours. 500 miles per hour. 2000 miles. 2000/24000 = 1/12
1/12 * 360 = 30 degrees. I don’t think a 30 degree arc on a globe would look as straight as the plot.

But maybe the are using some transformation that plots arcs as straight lines. If that is possible.

You are right. Something doesn’t look right.


32 posted on 06/26/2014 12:07:07 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Uncle Chip

If he(the pilot) was practicing short field landings and radar evasion on his simulator for months, like was reported yesterday, then why would he kill himself?


33 posted on 06/26/2014 12:30:53 PM PDT by Rick66
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To: Uncle Chip

If he(the pilot) was practicing short field landings and radar evasion on his simulator for months, like was reported yesterday, then why would he kill himself?


34 posted on 06/26/2014 12:31:26 PM PDT by Rick66 (Allah hates me, the feeling is mutual.)
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To: Rick66

Good question that the officials will evade.

He should have been practicing putting the plane on autopilot or running out of fuel or crashes.


35 posted on 06/26/2014 1:01:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
What about the story that the airplane was spotted the ground in Pakistan?
36 posted on 06/26/2014 5:59:23 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: ANGGAPO

I saw it at an airport in Nebraska.


37 posted on 06/26/2014 6:00:50 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Uncle Chip
Plane Deliberately Set on Autopilot 'West of Sumatra' When it Ran Out of Fuel and Crashed

Too late, activating the autopilot then has no effect.

38 posted on 06/26/2014 7:20:18 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Wikipedia is wrong. who knew?)
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To: InterceptPoint

I looked at this again last night and the only way the Inmarsat arcs work with the autopilot is if the plane was put on autopilot deadheading to New Amsterdam Island shortly after turning south for about 4.5 hours —

BUT then in order to hit that final arc it would have had to come off autopilot and that heading with about an hour of fuel left. It’s at that point that it would have to turn to the east toward Perth to hit that final Inmarsat arc and the new search area.

Whether he then put it back on autopilot after making those course corrections with an hour left, who knows, but that’s what they must be calling “being on autopilot”.


39 posted on 06/27/2014 6:30:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Very interesting. But are you doing anything to correct for the spherical to flat surface projection. Or, alternatively, have you determined that the mapping of straight lines works on the projection you are using.

As an example of this issue just look at the projection of any non-equatorial satellite on a flat map. No straight lines to be found.


40 posted on 06/27/2014 7:13:30 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

I’m simply accepting NOAs numbers for “statute miles” just to be consistent — and hoping that they are making the necessary adjustments if any are needed.

But I was incorrect re:New Amsterdam Island — it is several hundreds miles west of that southern heading.

Using the 18:29 Frequency Burst as the time of its turn south just above Banda Aceh at N7.5E96 straight south to S38E87 on the 8:11 arc is 3195 miles.

N7.5E96 to S26.5E90 on the 7:11 arc is 2382 miles reachable at ~507mph.

S38E87 on the 8:11 arc is 801 miles further — not doable in an hour.

BUT if at 7:11 he took it off that heading and turned east toward Perth he would have hit the 8:11 arc at S32E96 in an hour at 524mph — very doable.

So it had to have come off of autopilot at ~7:11 or the 8:11 arc would not have been reached —

But why he would do that is anybody’s guess.


41 posted on 06/27/2014 8:52:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Angus Houston ... assumed that the flight had been on autopilot even if a conscious pilot had been at the controls. That is because a Boeing 777 is a very difficult plane to fly manually....

University of New South Wales aviation expert Peter Marosszeky said if the autopilot was still working when the plane crashed, it suggests the aircraft’s communications systems were switched off rather than disabled by a major malfunction or catastrophe.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/27/mh370-crew-most-likely-suffocated-before-missing-malaysia-jet-crashed-into-indian-ocean-australia-says/


42 posted on 06/27/2014 11:12:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Were the pings received at equal time intervals?


43 posted on 06/27/2014 11:22:06 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

According to Inmarsat they were hourly — from 3:11 to 8:11 and then something at 8:19.


44 posted on 06/27/2014 11:43:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Someone in Cockpit May Have Plotted Flight Plan to Australia

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-someone-cockpit-may-have-plotted-flight-plan-australia-1454532


45 posted on 06/28/2014 5:57:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Search Report:

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/june/mr052_MH370_Definition_of_Sea_Floor_Wide_Area_Search.pdf


46 posted on 06/28/2014 6:09:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Report shows likely point of turn south to be N7E95 @ ~18:29

However the report is silent regarding where they think the plane was between 18:22 and 19:41.

How do they come up with the endpoint of all these paths without identifying the starting point of the paths and then subsequent paths through the arcs of pings???


47 posted on 06/28/2014 7:21:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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N7E95 [point of likely turn south] to S30E97.5 [center of search area] is 2560 miles

From 18:29 to 24:11 is 5:42 minutes which would mean an average speed of ~450mph.


48 posted on 06/28/2014 7:49:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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From page 32 of the report the central flight path to center of search area:

S10E95 on 2141 arc to S18E96.5 on 2241 arc is 561 miles @ 561mph

And from there to S30E97.5 on the 2411 arc is 831 miles @ 560mph

The autopilot works there for the last 2:30 but not further upstream for the earlier 3:12 —

It means that for the central flight path the plane averaged 377mph over the first 3:12 for 1208 miles and then 560mph over the last 2:30 for the final 1352 miles.

That’s not exactly autopilot —


49 posted on 06/28/2014 12:05:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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From page 8 of the Report:

N7E103.5 [point of turnaround] @ 17:19 to ~Penang Island @ N5.3E100.3 is 251 miles

From there northwest to N7E95 [where the plane was headed above Indonesia] is 382 miles.

That’s a combined distance of 633 miles taking 70 minutes @542mph at the point of the 18:29 frequency burst.

It’s hard to believe that the plane could have flown faster and gone any further north or west than ~N7E95 — a point that clears Indonesian radar and gives him a straight shot south.


50 posted on 06/28/2014 1:30:00 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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