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Breach: New Computer Virus Can Cripple Power Plants With the Click of a Mouse
SHTF Plan ^ | 7/1/14 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 07/01/2014 4:03:45 PM PDT by Kartographer

Over 1,000 energy firms were infected with a sophisticated cyber weapon that gave hackers access to power plant control systems, it has been revealed.

The software allows operators to monitor energy consumption in real time – and to cripple physical systems such as wind turbines, gas pipelines and power plants at the click of a mouse.

‘Among the targets of Dragonfly were energy grid operators, major electricity generation firms, petroleum pipeline operators, and energy industry industrial equipment providers,’ Symantec said.

‘Dragonfly initially targeted defense and aviation companies in the US and Canada before shifting its focus mainly to US and European energy firms in early 2013.’

‘Dragonfly bears the hallmarks of a state-sponsored operation, displaying a high degree of technical capability.

Daily Mail via Steve Quayle

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: computervirus; energy; hackers; powerplants
"We'll turn the lights off for you."
1 posted on 07/01/2014 4:03:45 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers PING!!


2 posted on 07/01/2014 4:04:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Wish I knew of a location where your life didn’t depend on heat OR a/c. Hate both.

No a/c won’t kill you. But geez, it’s hard to sleep while wet. Have PV panels and batteries and 12v fans but still. Better than nothing though.


3 posted on 07/01/2014 4:08:39 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Kartographer

The only surprise is they admitted the breach.


4 posted on 07/01/2014 4:08:52 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer

That’s quicker than Obama’s EPA rules.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 4:09:44 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Kartographer
Yup - puttin' in a wood stove this fall - with two cook plates.
Then it's just a matter of fine-tunin' the preps....
6 posted on 07/01/2014 4:13:35 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kartographer

Eventually we’re going to need a Battlestar Galactica solution. No networked computers in vital systems.


7 posted on 07/01/2014 4:15:21 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Kartographer

bttt


8 posted on 07/01/2014 4:22:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Kartographer

Ya gotta love the o man!


9 posted on 07/01/2014 4:25:14 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Kartographer

Didn’t this happen in Die Hard IV?


10 posted on 07/01/2014 4:31:12 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Kartographer

SCADA. Do the utilities still use carrier current communications between the power plants and the substations? It’s a question for any freepers who may work for in the electric power generation sector. I see some of the equipment installed at various substations, but I’m not sure that those systems are still in use. An outside control network, especially one that uses a public telcom network, would be a really, really bad idea. Controls for power generation and distribution really need to stay a closed system, with no access to the outside world.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 4:36:00 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat

I think many went from carrier signal to a dedicated fiber optic fiber buried in the transmission right of way.


12 posted on 07/01/2014 4:47:05 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kartographer

Just finished reading about this, page 1 of the Business section of today’s Times. It’s the Russians, says the Times, and so far they have been snooping at the technology but not blowing anything up.


13 posted on 07/01/2014 4:54:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Kartographer

This is Obama’s wet dream. Doing what the EPA can’t


14 posted on 07/01/2014 4:55:32 PM PDT by woodenickel
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To: firebrand

Not sure this is Dragonfly. Times calls it hackers, not a virus.


15 posted on 07/01/2014 4:55:33 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Kartographer
I'm skeptical. I work for an electrical utility, and there is no way some sleaze-bag hacker got into our control system.

No way.

16 posted on 07/01/2014 5:02:57 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: factoryrat
Do the utilities still use carrier current communications between the power plants and the substations?

Look into generating power and selling your surplus back; then you'll get into the specs for substations.

I looked at this a while back just for dumb fun, yes, substations had a spec for a phone company connection, of course, while they want a communication link, it needed to be isolated, shielded, protected from shorts, etc.

I have the same problem with my cheepo computer monitor signal cable; when it lays next to the power cables, I get shadows on my monitor. Move the cable, shadows gone.
17 posted on 07/01/2014 5:03:31 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: firebrand
Here's the link to the hacker of oil and gas companies story.
18 posted on 07/01/2014 5:03:56 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: thackney
I think many went from carrier signal to a dedicated fiber optic fiber buried in the transmission right of way.

Some did. Some did partially. And some have very little.

19 posted on 07/01/2014 5:06:17 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kartographer

“New Computer Virus Can Cripple Power Plants With the Click of a Mouse”

Totally false. I keep clicking my mouse and not a damn thing is happening: the lights are still on.


20 posted on 07/01/2014 5:06:23 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman
Perhaps they should rename it "The Clapper".

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21 posted on 07/01/2014 5:12:20 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: catnipman

Thats because you don’t have the power mouse.


22 posted on 07/01/2014 5:13:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IronJack; thackney

Doesn’t really matter because they all eventually come back to the power company and the power company is connected to the internet.


23 posted on 07/01/2014 5:15:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IronJack

You can be skeptical all you want, but the story is available from multiple sources and no utility is denying it.

See post 18 this thread.

By the way this isn’t the first time.

Cyber security

http://www.energyglobal.com/news/special-reports/articles/Cyber_security_power_back_in_your_hands_044.aspx#.U7NPT5RdVGY

Hacking group Anonymous could shut down the entire U.S. power grid, head of national security warns

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104832/Hacking-group-Anonymous-shut-entire-U-S-power-grid-head-national-security-warns.html


24 posted on 07/01/2014 5:17:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver; IronJack; thackney
"Doesn’t really matter because they all eventually come back to the power company and the power company is connected to the internet."

Needs to be how else could you view porn?
25 posted on 07/01/2014 5:19:14 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Bring on the Smart Grid.


26 posted on 07/01/2014 5:21:08 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: IronJack

They get into classified dept of defense systems. Are utility systems more secure?

Not the ones I’ve seen and I run a security company.


27 posted on 07/01/2014 5:24:25 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Why are these systems not on a closed internal network not accessible to the internet?


28 posted on 07/01/2014 5:24:37 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Kartographer; IronJack; thackney
Power porn.


29 posted on 07/01/2014 5:26:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IronJack

If you are in ANY way connected to the internet - that is not a statement you can make with absolute certainty.


30 posted on 07/01/2014 6:03:00 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: Kartographer

In all seriousness, I cannot BELIEVE we haven’t suffered some massive infrastructure failure as of late.

Seems like 0bama’s M.O. these days; create as much chaos as possible on a DAILY basis! Grrrrrr!


31 posted on 07/01/2014 6:21:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: bgill
Well, they have to inform Obama some how. He gets his news from MSM NOT from the morning briefing.
32 posted on 07/01/2014 6:25:33 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Kartographer; All

The Virtues of A Noble Woman:

16 She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard. 17 She girds herself with strength And makes her arms strong. 18 She senses that her gain is good; Her lamp does not go out at night.…

How about we women-folk worry LESS about the ‘power grid’ and more about ‘girding our loins’ for BATTLE!

WOLVERINES! :)


33 posted on 07/01/2014 6:28:08 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And us guys can help u gird.


34 posted on 07/01/2014 6:33:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Well, THAT didn’t take long!

(I expected no less, actually, LOL!)


35 posted on 07/01/2014 6:37:04 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Well we are stronger as a team.


36 posted on 07/01/2014 6:50:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
PING!
37 posted on 07/01/2014 7:19:55 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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To: Psalm 73; Kartographer

My woodstove has a nice, flat top. You can cook food on it. My mother cooked soup on it before.


38 posted on 07/01/2014 7:23:29 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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To: _Jim

ping


39 posted on 07/01/2014 8:16:57 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: factoryrat

There are NO power plants (that I know of) that are completely segregated from the “outside”.
I’ve operated many facilities that we’re thought to be independent of the web, only to find that little one item was missed.
Most power plants rely on signals from the local RTO (regional transmission operator) telling facilities what and how much to generate. We see these signals in real time.
I can command the generators locally in my control room to do what I want, but I still need to “see” what the grid in my areas is doing.
In a nutshell- there’s no such thing as a power plant off the net.
We have to see what’s going on outside of our plant to operate. That info is running through ... Wires connected to the net.


40 posted on 07/01/2014 8:53:02 PM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: bicyclerepair
No a/c won’t kill you. But geez, it’s hard to sleep while wet. Have PV panels and batteries and 12v fans but still. Better than nothing though.

A dry basement with some ventilation is a good place to shelter overnight. Mine has fewer temperature fluctuations than the upper stories year-round.

41 posted on 07/02/2014 6:28:48 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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