Posted on 07/11/2014 2:16:51 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Longer question, as space here now permits:
But before that... The SCOTUS ruling was not based upon a/any contraceptive(s) either killing a fertilized egg or stopping its fertilization, but rather was based upon a closely held company being able to deny some benefits under religious objections.
Question: If the owners of a closely held company have a religious objection to infertility treatments (some or all), as they may say that unwanted embryos are destroyed in infertility treatments, and thus they will deny this benefit, would the denial of this benefit hold up under the Hobby Lobby ruling?
What about vasectomies? What if the owners of a closely held company have religious objections to this, too?
There are others topics that I could place here.
I personally believe that if you don't like an employer's EBP, then go work somewhere else.
Yes, Obamacare led to the Hobby Lobby ruling, but if the GOP and those who run it in DC and the NE United States would have quit running RINOS in House, Senate and Presidential races and/or demanding that they get the field (and had quit this course long before 2008), maybe Dems wouldn't have had a super majority in the House and 60 Senators in January 2009 - thus no Obamacare.
A continuation of the law of unintended consequences...
The GOP Establishment (as I stated before post #1) played a major hand in Obama being elected. Without Obamacare, we wouldn't be in this mess and have had a need for a HL ruling.
There are very few insurances that cover infertility treatments and almost none that are offered through companies. It is considered like vanity plastic surgery or LASIK eye treatment.
It might be covered if it is considered medically necessary for treatment for another illness. Surgical cleanup for endometriosis is one that is covered. It may result in temporary restoration of fertility but the primary purpose is to relieve the problems caused by endometriosis.
But i did not limit it to infertility treatments. What about vasectomies? That will be a major sticking point, as they are relatively cheap, and there are some who have a religious dogma against vasectomies.
And there are more “insurances” that cover this (infertility treatments) than you might think.
What about them?
I have no idea how they are treated in insurance so I do not comment.
The only thing I know about is fertility treatments for females and they are not covered. No, not even the hormone injections, which are quite pricey.
My company offered three different insurance companies as options and none of them covered any direct fertility treatments for males or females. We had two other types of insurance through my husband's job and none of them had any sort of coverage either.
These pretty much ran the gamut of nationally available health insurance. There might be some insurance company that offered it but I believe that such would be considered a Cadillac plan and so would have been dropped under Obama(dont)Care.
If you think the HL ruling will not have in tow the law of unintended consequences, then you are in for a shock.
Vasectomies are covered in many plans as they are cheap, readily available and are FAR cheaper than prenatal care and postnatal care under ANY insurance plan.
The stuff HL objected to was stuff they were compelled to provide by HHS regulations, or pay a fine for not insuring their employees.
No, I don't comment on things I do not know about.
If you think the HL ruling will not have in tow the law of unintended consequences, then you are in for a shock.
I never thought that. Every time the government sticks it's little fingers in something it tends to end up FUBARed.
Vasectomies are covered in many plans as they are cheap, readily available and are FAR cheaper than prenatal care and postnatal care under ANY insurance plan.
Everything is cheaper the pre and post natal care. It is the most complex thing the human body does and the number of things that can go wrong are legion. That is why insurance for women tended to be cheaper for men then women.
“The thing you’re missing is that there’s no federal regulation compelling employers to provide vasectomies”
Actually, 2 things on the list of 16 of 20 Obamacare mandated things that Hobby Lobby has been paying for and still pays for are:
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
health coverage should cover just that....you get sick, break a bone, get injured, are unable to accomplish normal activities...walk, talk, etc. it should pay....all of the voluntary activities that you choose to do should be done at your own expense......sex changes, birth control, cosmetic surgery, other than for an injury or disease repair, should be on your own......prices would dramatically drop and there would be a whole lot of rethinking going on.
that's never the issue,,,,vasectomies kill no-one'''religious dogmas aside....abortion causing drugs KILL a child....dead....killed....and they don't want to pay for it..
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