The Minoans were Caucasian

Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 5-16-2013 | Damien Gayle

[SunkenCiv]

Colonizing Cretans
by David Keys
May/June 2004

Europe's oldest civilization, the Minoans of ancient Crete, were also the continent's first colonialists, according to investigations in Turkey and elsewhere. While archaeologists have long been aware of Minoan trading activity along the Anatolian coast, excavations at Miletus in southwest Turkey are revealing how 3,700 years ago they expanded to the Asian mainland to set up at least one permanent colony. The discoveries lend credence to an ancient Greek myth of a Minoan colony there... 95 percent of the thousands of pottery sherds from this period found at the site were either made nearby in the Minoan style or imported from Crete itself. Seven inscriptions in Linear A, the undeciphered language of the Minoans, have also been found, inscribed on locally made pottery... With Miletus recognized as a Minoan colony, preparations are now being made by an Anglo-Italian expedition to reinvestigate Iasos, another site in Turkey where substantial quantities of Minoan material has been found. A German expedition from Tübingen University has unearthed the remains of a Minoan fresco inside a seventeenth-century Minoan palace at Qatna, Syria, the fourth such fresco to be discovered in mainland Asia and Africa in recent years. Back in the early 1990s, a fortified palace at Tel el Dab'a in the Nile Delta yielded a Minoan fresco complete with a Cretan religious "bull leaping" scene, while in Tel Kabri, Israel, archaeologists found frescoes of a Cretan religious nature in a great ceremonial hall.

[SunkenCiv]

Inscription in Carian and Greek
Issue A976 of 27 Dec. 1997

On 8/9 November 1997 the Swiss newspaper Neue Zurcher Zeitung reported that German and Turks archaeologists, who conducted excavations at the ancient site of Kaunos on Asia Minor coast just across the Greek island of Rhodes, unearthed an inscription in two scripts. The top part is inscribed in the Carian language and the same text is repeated in the lower part in classical Greek. The inscription is a resolution of the city of Kaunos to honor two Athenians, one of whom is Nikokles of Lycekleous a fairly know person and contemporary of Demosthenes. Thus, the stone was safely dated to the second half of the 4th c. BCE.

[SunkenCiv]

from "Giving Goliath His Due: New Archaeological Light on the Philistines":

The Origins of the Philistines: The Plague on the Philistines
by Neal Bierling

The area around Mount Sipylus was probably part of Arzawa, with the Carians and Lycians to the south. The Greek geographer Strabo (late first century B.C. to early first century A.D.) quotes the Greek poet Kallinos, who claimed that Troy was colonized by Cretans. Smintheus may be a Cretan word, though it has also been identified as western Anatolian (Mysian) (Leaf 1923, 240; R. Miller 1939, 35; M. Wood 1986, 180). The nth sound of Smintheus, according to A. R. Burn, is characteristic of Cretan, Carian, and southern Aegean (1930, 89). Whether the movement of culture and language was from Crete to western Anatolia or vice versa cannot be determined, and places in both regions sharing similar names are common and widespread. For example, Mount Ida in the Troad shares its name with the sacred mountain in Crete.

It's been online for years, and appeared in print once before; that edition is gone, but there's a new edition in print with a new foreword.

Philistines: Giving Goliath His Due Marco Polo Monographs, No. 7. by Neal Bierling foreword by Joe E. Seger

[Little Bill]

One of the things that has bothered me for many years is that something nasty proceeds migrations.

Look at the Dorian invasion of Greece, what prompted them to move South?

If you look at History you have to look at East to West population movements and what caused them. If I had the energy to look at Chinese history at the time we may get some clues.

[SunkenCiv]

The possibility exists that some kind of natural disaster precipitated each one of the large migrations; otoh, there are those who claim that there never was a Dorian invasion, which is of course a little difficult to fathom. I’ve been reading some of the backlog of books around here, and the most recent two have been about classical and preclassical Greece. The one I’m on now has a language map of Greece showing the predominant dialects. The author (Finley) stumbles over the various problems introduced by the introduction of the (imaginary) Greek dark age. One howler was that the end of the bronze age may have been due to the sea peoples, but that copper production on Cyprus never slowed down right on through to classical times. Must be they mined it for centuries in the hope that bronze would make a comeback. ;’)

[Little Bill]

I think that Herodotus pointed out that the Cretans spoke strange Greek which differed from the norm.

Then there were the ship lists from the Iliad which should be looked at.

[SunkenCiv]

This is smack in the middle of three paragraphs about spoken languages, between his observations about Pelasgians and before the Caunians.

The Histories
by Herodotus
Book I -- Clio
tr by George Rawlinson

Now, of the above nations the Carians are a race who came into the mainland from the islands. In ancient times they were subjects of king Minos, and went by the name of Leleges, dwelling among the isles, and, so far as I have been able to push my inquiries, never liable to give tribute to any man. They served on board the ships of king Minos whenever he required; and thus, as he was a great conqueror and prospered in his wars, the Carians were in his day the most famous by far of all the nations of the earth. They likewise were the inventors of three things, the use of which was borrowed from them by the Greeks; they were the first to fasten crests on helmets and to put devices on shields, and they also invented handles for shields. In the earlier times shields were without handles, and their wearers managed them by the aid of a leathern thong, by which they were slung round the neck and left shoulder. Long after the time of Minos, the Carians were driven from the islands by the Ionians and Dorians, and so settled upon the mainland. The above is the account which the Cretans give of the Carians: the Carians themselves say very differently. They maintain that they are the aboriginal inhabitants of the part of the mainland where they now dwell, and never had any other name than that which they still bear; and in proof of this they show an ancient temple of Carian Jove in the country of the Mylasians, in which the Mysians and Lydians have the right of worshipping, as brother races to the Carians: for Lydus and Mysus, they say, were brothers of Car. These nations, therefore, have the aforesaid right; but such as are of a different race, even though they have come to use the Carian tongue, are excluded from this temple.

[SunkenCiv]

Here's another anecdote about Carian; glad I did the search last night (':

The Histories
by Herodotus
Book VIII -- Urania
tr by George Rawlinson

One thing which the Thebans declare to have happened at this time is to me very surprising. Mys, the European, they say, after he had gone about to all the oracles, came at last to the sacred precinct of Apollo Ptous. The place itself bears the name of Ptoum; it is in the country of the Thebans, and is situated on the mountain side overlooking Lake Copais, only a very little way from the town called Acraephia. Here Mys arrived, and entered the temple, followed by three Theban citizens -- picked men whom the state had appointed to take down whatever answer the god might give. No sooner was he entered than the prophet delivered him an oracle, but in a foreign tongue; so that his Theban attendants were astonished, hearing a strange language when they expected Greek, and did not know what to do. Mys, however, the European, snatched from their hands the tablet which they had brought with them, and wrote down what the prophet uttered. The reply, he told them, was in the Carian dialect. After this, Mys departed and returned to Thessaly.

[Little Bill]

You might find this interesting regarding the Carians and Luvvian. I got interesterested in Luvvian when I saw the similarity of the glyphs on the Phastos disk and Luvvian Glyphs.

http://www.academia.edu/498331/Sociolinguistics_of_the_Luvian_Language

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks, I’ll log on there sometime later today.

[Deplorable American1776]

How racist!! 😋

[Larry Lucido]

DNA analysis has debunked

Jerry: I thought that was debunked.

Elaine: No, it's not debunked, it's totally bunk.

Jerry: Isn't bunk bad? Like, that's a lot of bunk.

George: No something is bunk and then you debunk it.

Jerry: What?

Elaine: Huh?

[Larry Lucido]

Darryl: "So, we're just a couple of white people?"
Elaine: "I guess."
Darryl: "Oh."
Elaine: "Yeah. So do you want to go to the Gap?"
Darryl, leaving with Elaine: "Sure."

[Jim Noble]

longstanding theory

Since when?

[SunkenCiv]

;^)

[SunkenCiv]

...debunked the longstanding theory that the Minoans... were from Africa.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[SunkenCiv]

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