Posted on 07/18/2014 11:52:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
The Russians lie. They are the masters of disinformation. They told us there were no Russian military in the Crimea. The people wearing uniforms without insignia had picked up the uniforms in local stores. Anyone who buys what the Russians are saying is a fool.
Truth is you should be awaiting the evidence too. If the evidence says Putin did it, what do you think America should do keeping in mind the state of our troops and the fact Obama is CIC, Jon Cary is SOS, Jeh Johnson is Homeland Security, and Chuck Hagel is Defense Secretary? Are you prepared for more Americans to lose their lives for another war that will probably accomplish nothing, like the others anymore, when those most involved are Europeans. Even they seem fairly disinterested in reacting. All the bleating anger while our guys are supposed to save their bacon one more time while they dole out the socialism at home instead of creating their own military capabilities.
Obama talking tough and making threats is not going to do much.
What are the odds that the Russians would trust a weapon like this in the hands of a "noob" especially when its commercial planes fly over the area as well???
Not so Igor --
Because of this the air corridor of planes flying east-west over Ukraine has been shut down causing greater hardship and expense for European and Far Eastern airliners.
Putin has just punished the West for it's association with Ukraine and is forcing it to pay a high price.
All the more reason to check out the Ukrainian missile batteries isn't it?
Assuming you really want to find out who did this...
Britain’s U.N. Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant, who called the emergency meeting, was more emphatic on assessing blame for the crash. And Ms Power it is likely that Russian military personnel were at the controls of the missile battery that downed the airliner.
We have been monitoring that area with our intelligence satellite technology for months. We know exactly where the missile was fired from and NSA has all of the ground communications directing it. We probably shared some of it with the Brits hence the British UN Rep's remarks.
For whatever reason, we don't want to share that information with the public. Perhaps we are using it as leverage against Putin to pressure him into doing something helpful re the Iranian talks or in other areas.
Bodies rained down on Ukraine village after plane disaster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3182347/posts
>> Russian training and assistance
Not sure that matters if Russia was not directly involved in the decision to target the plane.
I'm not sure why this whole "lone drunk Russkie" thing keeps getting repeated. Maybe it's because Russkies are known to be drunks, but that doesn't mean it was one guy shooting it down without orders. One of the recordings of the shootdown and crash was filmed by the "separatists" themselves, and it is pretty clear they were operating as a unit, and were pretty gleeful about it too.
Who's evidence? Russia's. The Ukraine's. The Canadian and British and Dutch leaders have all indicated that it was done by Russia or their allies. Are they all taking shots in the dark and speaking without evidence? Or have their own intelligence services basically confirmed what the entire freakin' world, minus the Putin admirers around here, already know?
Shortly they will determine that this was intentional — Putin giving the West the finger for its sanctions and saying that it was only a Malaysian jet this time but next time it might be Lufthansa or Air France.
The net effect of this incident is that Putin has forced European and Far Eastern carriers to now fly around Ukraine all together — costing them time and fuel and money and creating greater difficulty for east-west air travel.
This is generally regarded as disinformation, and promoted by the "separatists" themselves who like any bit of propaganda to raise morale from their ignorant followers. The "reports" all go back to a single article by Russian state controlled media, and have not been confirmed by any other source. The Russkies have a habit of planting such stories into their media right before sending in the "captured" item from Russia into Ukraine.
Furthermore, NATO knew about the Buk launchers 2 weeks ago, and saw them on the Russian border, with training going on for your so-called "plug and play" weapon, with Russian officers assisting "separatists". This was reported about 2 weeks ago in a press briefing, but no one in the media seemed to notice until the last day or two.
I’m surprised there are so many Russia apologists around here.
Considering the Russkies are claiming that the civilians were "already dead" for at least 2 days before they were put on the plane and flown over Donetsk and into the innocent missile minding its own busines (such is Strelkov's opinion), I do not think this will go over so nicely. Furthermore, we were sued in international court and paid a great deal in damages to the people in that down jet. It's not like nothing happened, and no nothing will be happening here.
Wetpheonix is just repeating what he heard from Russian media, and maybe reported in some other naive places. Check my previous reply.
I have no love for Putin. I have no love for Obama either. The rest you listed aren’t particularly trustworthy either.
So you never answered my question. What do you want the US and Obama to do about this Malaysian airplane incident?
True. It is all about perceived power and will. I would say Pootie Pooh looked deep into Obama’s soul, and saw a deep vacuum. A listless former abused child chom gang atheist with daddy issues. You know Latin has a bigger file on Osaka than we have.
Putin saw someone he could disregard. Like Hitler saw in Chamberlin. Just one good kick...
Latin = Putin
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