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Lawmakers: Make It Easier For Military Dogs To Reunite With Soldiers After War
DailyCaller ^ | 7/23/14 | Alex Pappas

Posted on 07/24/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by Kartographer

They served in the Civil War. They were there for American soldiers during both world wars. One was even on SEAL Team Six, the military team that killed Osama Bin Laden.

But military dogs do not always get to go home with their military handlers after serving together in war.

During a Capitol Hill event on Wednesday, legislators argued it should be easier for these veterans to reunite with their dogs.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: doggieping; military; militarydogs; soldiers; veterans
My dog heroes have always been veterans! Rin Tin Tin and Lassie both served!
1 posted on 07/24/2014 8:52:08 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

This should not have to be argued or debated or anything but done!


2 posted on 07/24/2014 8:55:21 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American e GoNot a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Kartographer

Dawg Brother Kartographer, I think it’s a great idea...

Dogs are God’s way of letting you know have a heart... because it breaks each time you lose one.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 8:55:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Kartographer

I’m not saying it isn’t the right thing to do, but is this really the priority?

The country is being invaded, we have debt up to our eyeballs, unemployment is through the roof and the payouts to deadbeats is bankrupting our country, our president is usurping power and running one of the most corrupt administrations.

Let’s get focused, gentlemen.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 8:58:03 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Kartographer

They also served those that sit, stay, search, roll over and want their belly rubbed.
5 posted on 07/24/2014 8:59:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

As for me I am focused and nothing is to good for any that served rather they had two legs or four and especially those that came back with none.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 9:02:13 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Dogs miss their handlers, too. When I tell mine that my son is coming home she looks for him. She knows when we are a mile away from home, even after 1.5 years of being away. I pray none were left in Afghanistan or Iraq.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 9:04:39 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Kartographer

Meanwhile, behind the animal worshipping scene, many formerly enlisted veterans (men) are being cheated in business, academia and politics.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 11:53:37 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), National Guard, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop
As for me I am focused and nothing is to good for any that served rather they had two legs or four and especially those that came back with none.

So what part of that statement disrespects veterans? You do understand that most of these dogs saved many a soldiers life in combat? What would you do abandoned them? Maybe shoot them? Isn't the best thing, the fair thing, the American thing is to let them comeback with their soldier?
9 posted on 07/25/2014 12:11:13 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Men are not to be equated with dogs.


10 posted on 07/25/2014 12:34:51 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), National Guard, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop

I ask what would you do with them then?

You clearly need to have a discussion with some of the Veteran Handlers coming home. I have.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 12:41:41 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
"So what part of that statement disrespects veterans?"

I didn't write anything about that statement being disrespectful to veterans in this thread, but since you brought it up here,...


12 posted on 07/25/2014 12:43:11 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

I asked you twice and now I ask you again;

What would you do with them then?


13 posted on 07/25/2014 12:49:35 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
"I asked you twice and now I ask you again;

What would you do with them then?
"

Are you prior service? If so, what was your MOS, and don't you trust Operations to take care of the dogs and continue to make good use of them? Those are now more relevant and less fallacious questions here.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 1:45:17 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), National Guard, '89-' 96)
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To: familyop

Clearly its impossible to have a rational conversation with you as you are arguing about an article you clearly didn’t even bother to read. The dogs are RETIRED. It is clearly noted as so in the article.

I am sorry I even bothered to ask you since you are not serious about wishing to discuss the mater and only desire to find fault.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 1:54:52 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
"Clearly its impossible to have a rational conversation with you as you are arguing about an article you clearly didn’t even bother to read. The dogs are RETIRED."

From the article, the only explanation of disposition of any particular dog:
"Bos described how a back injury forced him out of the military, causing Cila to be relocated to another service member."

The training for each one of those dogs is very expensive and comes from military funding.


16 posted on 07/25/2014 2:12:19 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

Ganzert explained that military policy dictates that when a military dog is retired while overseas — and not while back in the United States — it is not given a military transport home. That makes it difficult for some veterans to afford the costs to send the retired dog home.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/lawmakers-make-it-easier-for-military-dogs-to-reunite-with-soldiers-after-war-photos/#ixzz38W7tzDHI


17 posted on 07/25/2014 2:14:01 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Joe 6-pack

doggieping


18 posted on 07/26/2014 4:11:05 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

Computer Hope

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

19 posted on 07/26/2014 5:10:54 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: familyop
"Are you prior service? If so, what was your MOS, and don't you trust Operations to take care of the dogs and continue to make good use of them? Those are now more relevant and less fallacious questions here."

I'm prior service. I was a military police officer, so while I didn't get the privilege of being a MWD handler (handlers are enlisted/NCOs), As a Company Commander and Provost Marshal, I supervised their operational usage and coordinated logistical support for them. As an MP Battalion S4, I even made the property book adjustments when was killed or died. In your condescending mind, does that give me enough status to comment on the matter?

Yes they are "property." They are also living creatures that bond closely with their handlers, and I doubt you will find a handler out there who doesn't consider them a full partner. Unlike most government property, were you aware that there is a specific UCMJ charge under Article 134, abusing a public animal, that pertains primarily to military working dogs? That charge doesn't "give" them special status; it merely recognizes the special status they merit by virtue of their utility and inherent dignity as living creatures.

20 posted on 07/26/2014 5:25:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: familyop; Kartographer

It’s not publicized much, but I have read that many military dogs are killed, after they are no longer useful, because they are deemed too dangerous to be adopted by “ordinary families”.

Don’t you think it’s much better both for the dogs and their handlers to be adopted by their military handlers?!

Here is one article, I’ve seen others and the US is doing the same thing.

Majority of 350 ex-military dogs put down for ‘age and welfare’ reasons

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10401353/Majority-of-350-ex-military-dogs-put-down-for-age-and-welfare-reasons.html

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed it had put down 42 dogs due to a ‘’dangerous temperament’’, while 27 developed cancer-related health problems.

The majority (117) were put down due to ‘’age and welfare’’ reasons, while 76 had osteoarthritis.

An MoD spokesman said it was reviewing its policy to ensure that a military vet, in conjunction with an experienced dog handler, would be involved with every decision to put a dog to sleep.


21 posted on 07/26/2014 6:31:25 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Kartographer

It should definitely be easier for handlers to get their dogs if they wish, but I take isse with several statements.

No dog “served” in our civil war.

Neither did Rinty or Lassie serve in any war.

Strongheart was actually a war dog, though.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 7:00:48 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Kartographer

I think you overeact and get defensive.

People responding are not saying to abuse the dog or ignore it. It just is not their top priority, though it may not be necessary to the discussion.

And it might help to stop copying everywhere that statement, which needs to be proofread and corrected. ;-)


23 posted on 07/26/2014 7:12:32 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
"No dog “served” in our civil war."

In an official capacity, true; however, there were numerous, "unofficial," dogs that served as mascots, guards, etc. perhaps the most notable was "Jack," of the 102nd PA Infantry. Jack was taken prisoner by the Confederacy, and later exchanged for a Confederate (human) prisoner held by the Union...


24 posted on 07/26/2014 7:22:16 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: familyop

There are precisely two reasons why an American MWD should be put to sleep. Suffering beyond mending, and to keep them from falling into the hands of a Muslim.

ANYTHING else is wasteful and disrespectful to a living creature that has given the best years of their life serving and saving the lives of American military folks.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 7:58:18 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I'm prior service. I was a military police officer, so while I didn't get the privilege of being a MWD handler (handlers are enlisted/NCOs), As a Company Commander and Provost Marshal, I supervised their operational usage and coordinated logistical support for them. As an MP Battalion S4, I even made the property book adjustments when was killed or died."

I assume you were a good leader in logistics and did what was best for the handlers and dogs.

"In your condescending mind, does that give me enough status to comment on the matter?"

Having been enlisted with only little instructional authority at times, no authority most of the time, only a reserve component soldier then and a civilian now, I don't consider status one way or the other in regards to this topic. You've had some experience with dogs and handlers in the Army (what does matter), and it appears that you commented just fine. You have knowledge relevant to what you did.

"Yes they are "property.""

As we were but in different ways.

"They are also living creatures that bond closely with their handlers, and I doubt you will find a handler out there who doesn't consider them a full partner. Unlike most government property, were you aware that there is a specific UCMJ charge under Article 134, abusing a public animal, that pertains primarily to military working dogs? That charge doesn't "give" them special status; it merely recognizes the special status they merit by virtue of their utility and inherent dignity as living creatures."

But one question would be, "Should each dog be discharged to the world upon the demobilization of his first handler or rotated to the next handler?" That would be a funding issue. And should retired (sick) dogs be sent home with any handlers? Would sick dogs become suffering franken-dogs after thousands of dollars of surgeries and other treatments in civilian homes, as so many dogs are treated by non-prior-service civilians?

My experience with dogs is mostly in agriculture. I like dogs, cattle, goats, sheep, etc., but see them more as they are than most folks. Some considerations that are important to people aren't important to animals (examples: the future, history). Other things are important to animals (examples: how they feel during a present moment, immediate compulsions to do what they've been trained to do or otherwise learned to do).


26 posted on 07/26/2014 2:21:39 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I read your post and those of Veteran Handler FReepers. I stand with the handlers and I believe that to be the just of my post.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 5:02:27 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

28 posted on 07/26/2014 5:06:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: familyop

>> Men are not to be equated with dogs.<<

I agree. Dogs are so much more loyal and kind.


29 posted on 07/26/2014 6:47:01 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

Ecclesiastes 3:19 Mans fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.


30 posted on 07/26/2014 7:55:13 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; Lil Flower

Comments 29 and 30 are, in sum, another Hellenistic work of art, translation and all.


31 posted on 07/27/2014 4:11:30 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

A bible verse is a Hellenistic work of art?


32 posted on 07/27/2014 5:51:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yes, that too. First, the history of the Septuagint will reveal that (Alexandria, hellinized scribes in Egypt). Then, the history of the NIV and associated versions, histories of academics on those projects, etc. (”meaningless” vs. “vanity.” contemporary Hellenism: also see Humanism).


33 posted on 07/27/2014 7:39:21 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer

I’ll explain. Solomon didn’t mean that we’re no more important than animals. He meant that if we act like animals, we’ll be treated like animals. That’s more clear in the Orthodox Jewish Tanakh (Judaica Press or Mesorah Stone Edition).


34 posted on 07/27/2014 9:19:03 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

Well how bout you tell me how many dogs have committed mass murder, or started world wars?


35 posted on 07/29/2014 7:31:50 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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