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Tried Acupuncture for my Tendonitis. Ist Appt. only So-So. Has Acupuncture helped you?
July, 27, 2014 | lee martell

Posted on 07/27/2014 12:14:51 PM PDT by lee martell

I have chronic pain issues due to flat feet and tendonitis in one of y ankles. I'm trying to be seen by a Veterans Hospital doctor and be scheduled for surgery if necessary. Meanwhile, I watch my weight (try to anyway) and visit the gym a few times weekly to cycle and life weights. My job supervisor just had a baby a year ago, and has gotten a sore wrist from holding the infant so constantly, especially during nursing. She was just about to get a steroid shot to the wrist to alleviate the pain, but chose a more holistic method of Acupunture. the ancient Chinese treatment. After a few treatments, her pain is manageable. She plans to visit that doctor one or two times a month. Since I have had this foot pain trouble since around 2009, my supervisor is aware of my difficulty. She suggested I give Dr. Ming a try. The first visit would be for $150. with follow up visits at $90. I was told the first visit would be paid for under the auspice of "employee appreciation observance". I was all for trying it out, and I'm still glad that I looked into it, however briefly.

Dr. Ming has a small shop near Mill Valley. The interior walls are lined with shelves. Each shelf is filled with different herb roots, teas, near the old fashioned cash register, now covered in Gold Leaf foil, are stacks of cannisters that contain body salves and various kinds of ointments. The floors are wooden, darkly stained and varnished with a low lustre. I am directed to the left side corridor, which leads to four little offices, two on each side. First, before entering the corridor, I follow Dr. Ming brushing through a green beaded curtain. Our arrival in the corridor is announced by the clicking and clacking of those beads. I am guided to a bench in Room B I sit on the raised bench, remove my socks and shoes, and describe why I'm seeking help. The room smells lightly of frankinscence, the kind I used to smell at St. Cecilia, my neighborhood Catholic Church with the bell tower. Dr. Ming rubbed some salve into the top of my head. and proceeded to stick little needles into that area. I was actually glad I could not see how that looked. He asked me to lightly rotate my ankles in a wide circle, first one direction then the other. I felt a sharp jab down, from the top of my head under treatment. The Dr. asks me; "Is it feeling better now? Somewhat, maybe a little bit?" I said, "Is the relief supposed to be immediate? "Yes" he said. I reply,"Right now, I can only say I feel a little pain and pressure from the top of my head" . I guess that was not the answer he expected. Next tactic, Dr. Ming asked my to lightly clench my fists. He then inserts two of those needled on the outsides of each fist, right below the little finger. Once again he askes me to rotate the feet, and this time slowly flex both hands open and closed. "Feeling better now?" "I reply "Ummmmmm".

Next tactic, Dr. Ming twirls the needles in my hands around slightly. Let's just say it did not tickle. I'm thinking "Where did I read that 'Acupuncture is virtually painless!'. To that I;m thinking "Painless? Hell, Those little F##krs hurt! Since my supervisor has paid for this session, I will try to deal with it. The Dr. is a gentleman and I respect his efforts, but it just didn't work for me. I was left in this state for about 15 minutes while the Doctor ran the counter for incomin customers. After he returns, Dr. Ming simply says, "That all now, better?" I smiled, thanked the Doctor, and tactfully said little else. I had already decided I will not be going back, at least not at those prices. Acupuncture operates by in some cases stimulating energy flows in the body from areas that have become dormant through the atrophy of neglect or aging. In other cases acupuncture acts to reduce inflammation. That is what I was hoping for in my case. It could be that many treatments are necessary to stimulate the area.

Perhaps most cultures have their own ways of dealing with pain. I still recall a movie I saw decades ago while in College. This was during "Foreign Film Week". After movies by Fellini and Ingmar Bergman, there was the inevitable French Farce. The French Ski team was preparing for competition. At one point one of the Skiers fell and dislocated his knee. Then a kindly looking doctor in a suit and wear a monocle on a chain looked at the patient, a youth who was writhing in pain from his dislocated knee. The doctor 'had forgotten' his anesthesia! The doctor turned to his nurse, a very pretty blonde in a white mini-dress with the Red Cross on her hat. The doctor said, "We will have to do 'The Routine' on this boy." "The Routine Doctor? Are you sure?" "Qui" I am most certain. Next scene, the doctor bends over to tell the patient, Just close your eyes for a minute, try to relax. The injured Skier is lying on his back in the snow, and does as the Doctor orders. Together, Doctor and Nurse count backward in french; Trois, Deux, Un! At the count of Un or one, both react as planned; The Doctor quickly, roughly pushed the boy's kneecap into place, at the same moment the nurse open-hand slaps the skier in the face so hard she knocks his helmet off of his head. It was the slap heard around the world. After getting over the shock of The Routine, the Skier is next seen thanking the doctor and hobbling off to ski again.


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1 posted on 07/27/2014 12:14:51 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

acupuncture plus aspirin, brace and time, helped me a LOT


2 posted on 07/27/2014 12:23:24 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

There’s a modern method that uses electrical impulses in place of the needles. Might be better or less expensive (might be!).


3 posted on 07/27/2014 12:28:34 PM PDT by expat2
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To: lee martell

I use trad Chinese medic, along with also using Western medicine. That guy is EXPENSIVE! My acu gal doc is about $60 a visit, and that includes the first visit. I had some luck with acu. She puts in the needles, they don’t hurt. Then she hooks up an electronic device that sends pulses of juice to the needles. Interesting!
She couldn’t do a thing for my arthritic knee, though she certainly tried. She referred me t an herb doc. He was the head of a hospital in Shanghai before he emigrated. Very experienced guy, and now a good friend. He gave me a bag of various herbs to make tea with. First visit, no luck. Second visit he made the mix stronger as I’m much bigger than his usual Chinese patients. It helped! Third visit, no more knee problems. 15 years ago I walked with a cane, now I don’t even know where my cane is! Oh! $40 a visit.
He’s in Cleveland. Nothing could really help my back though. “Too much damage” he said.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 12:28:45 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: lee martell

It helps some, not all. It’s IMO worth pursuing because it is so much less intrusive than surgery. That’s the simple calculus.


5 posted on 07/27/2014 12:34:24 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: lee martell

If acupuncture works at all it is probably due to inflammation caused by the intrusion of the needle. Not likely to have any long term curative benefits I would think.


6 posted on 07/27/2014 12:34:41 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: lee martell

They’ve been using it for thousands of year so yes it has its uses. It will take time and won’t help in all cases.


7 posted on 07/27/2014 12:35:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lee martell

Acupuncture does not work for about 15% of people. For the rest, for some it sort of helps, for others it helps a lot.

First, a few questions.

Did he recommend any herbal medicine to go with the acupuncture? In the case of tendonitis, herbs are typically suggested to reduce inflammation as well as to help strengthen the tendon itself.

Did you have any medicines in your system when getting your acupuncture, especially analgesics or pain relievers, or anti-inflammatory drugs?


8 posted on 07/27/2014 12:37:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: lee martell

Which tendons? These three give me calf stiffness and calf cramps:
http://www.rad.washington.edu/academics/academic-sections/msk/muscle-atlas/lower-body/flexor-hallucis-longus

I’ve figured how to tape them to get rig of the problem
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=813601268684882&id=100001050484690&set=a.539414272770251.128192.100001050484690&source=48


9 posted on 07/27/2014 12:38:51 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I would like to know what herbs were in that tea that helped your knee. Only if you’re okay with sharing that information.. I’m glad you found help. I was interested because it’s less intrusive than surgery and I would not have to miss work during six weeks on recovery. I still intend to get on the waiting list for surgery though.


10 posted on 07/27/2014 12:39:18 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

My boss’s chronic tendonitis was “cured” 10 years ago by buying and wearing SAS shoes. Expensive, but worth it.

http://www.sasshoes.com/

I put “cured” in quotes because recently he stupidly sprinted across the sand on the beach, twisted something, and it came back really bad.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 12:40:24 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: lee martell

If I were to pay $150 for an acupuncture treatement, I would convince myself it worked.........


12 posted on 07/27/2014 12:40:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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For later. Thanks.


13 posted on 07/27/2014 12:41:08 PM PDT by lysie
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To: Bulwinkle

I’m unable to view your pages, but the concept sounds clever. I have trouble with the tendon right under my ankle. This same tendon goes up into my calves. Sometimes there is edema.
Pain Management;
It’s a whole new education pursuit I was not expecting.


14 posted on 07/27/2014 12:42:36 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
Has Acupuncture helped you?

I've never experienced acupuncture, I've never considered acupuncture, and I'm not planning to.

However, if your first experience was "so-so" I would consider that a success and continue. Perfection is the enemy of good enough and so-so is not that far behind good enough.

15 posted on 07/27/2014 12:44:52 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: MosesKnows

That’s a very thoughtful reply. Something to consider.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 12:49:04 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell
You might also consider this.
http://www.tenspros.com/
17 posted on 07/27/2014 12:49:59 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It wasn't me, it was my clone.)
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To: lee martell

I’ll post the pics from my laptop when I get home tonight .... I was trying from iPhone and didn’t work


18 posted on 07/27/2014 12:52:28 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: lee martell

Arch supports cured my foot pain. Completely cured it!


19 posted on 07/27/2014 12:53:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: lee martell

Tip: Get blood tests and check your thyroid level and your B-12 level (anemia). This what was the root cause for me of some of the same ailments you describe.

As we age we don’t have as much intrinsic factor to absorb vitamin B-12. For me even absorption under the tongue didn’t work. I went for a B-12 shot and oila!

There is a company that now for the first time produces a Vitamin B-12 supplement with intrinsic factor. It’s called Trinfac-B. Try it or a B-12 shot as an experiment and see what happens. I have no conflict of interest in the company that makes the product but thus far it also seems to be helping.

It isn’t always tendonitus or other problems that are the cause, they can also just be symptoms.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 12:54:20 PM PDT by WayneLusvardi (It's more complex than it might seem)
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To: lee martell
After studying acupuncture for several I detected a low back pain. Referring to my study books, I placed a few strategic needles in my butt.

All I got was another pain in the ass.

So much for self medicating.

21 posted on 07/27/2014 12:58:53 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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Tendons do not have a good blood supply. For that reason any inflammation further hinders blood flow and recovery. Bromelain is a natural anti-inflammatory. It’s strength should be measured in GDUs, gelatin digesting units. Take it several times a day on an empty stomach, between meals. Worked for me to get rid of a painful elbow a doctor said I’d have for life.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 12:59:31 PM PDT by meatloaf
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I had a headache and while walking to get asprins stepped on a needle....it took my mind off the headache


23 posted on 07/27/2014 12:59:33 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: lee martell

I agree with the people below who recommended investing in excellent shoes that provide the best support for your needs - it makes all the difference in the world. I had extreme tendonitis in my shoulder and lower arm due to overuse with the mouse on the computer. Tried everything to get out of pain, and nothing worked (including acupuncture) until one simple change: Trackball ! (this all preceded wireless stuff). I was out of pain almost immediately. There are also full body pillows designed for nursing mothers to take the pressure off when holding the wee one. Better football helmets let you really bang your head against the wall longer, too, whenever you read news on FR ;)


24 posted on 07/27/2014 1:06:22 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: lee martell

Hot tub, Epsom salts and massage coupled with a targeted physical therapy regiment prescribed by your doctor, under supervision of a therapist.

Went through some severe tendon problems 16 months ago, but was back to hiking in wild country within 6 months with supervised treatment. Cheers and good luck!


25 posted on 07/27/2014 1:08:07 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: lee martell

Try inserts in your shoes... I had the surgery for heel spurs and within two years the spurs grew back. I started with custom inserts then talked to the local shoe repair shop. He set me up with some inserts that cost $40 instead of $400 for custom.

Avoid surgery if at all possible.


26 posted on 07/27/2014 1:12:54 PM PDT by MS from the OC
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Have you been to a foot doctor?


27 posted on 07/27/2014 1:31:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lee martell

Get a good Physical Therapist, preferably one who does Trigger Point Dry Needling. This alleviates the pain immediately while he or she can start working on helping your tendonitis heal.


28 posted on 07/27/2014 1:34:02 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: expat2

That is Trigger Point Dry Needling. PLEASE try it.


29 posted on 07/27/2014 1:34:46 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: lee martell

voodoo-witch doctor ‘medicine’.


30 posted on 07/27/2014 1:37:38 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: smokingfrog

Yes, I’ve been to regular podiatrists, have gotten custom made show inserts, and steroid injections once in a while.
I have been referred to one of their Orthopedic surgeons for treatment. I’m on a slow motion waiting list, as is often the case with Veterans’ Insurance. I’m open to learning about Mediation as a way of pain management, if that modality of treatment is covered. I may just take a few classes on my own to learn the techniques of mediation, vs uses so many pills every day.


31 posted on 07/27/2014 1:38:05 PM PDT by lee martell
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I'm trying to be seen by a Veterans Hospital doctor and be scheduled for surgery if necessary.
Is your injury service connected? Is the VA your only choice? I wouldn't let them touch me with a 1000 foot pole.
I've been a runner for 33 years. I know all about pain and injuries.
Dump the acupuncture, use Ibuprofen for the pain - get some orthodics. Surgery should always be the LAST choice.
32 posted on 07/27/2014 1:40:20 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Mr. GG2 went to the acupuncturist about a year ago for his back and the guy basically cured him and then put some needles in his banged up wrist and it was painfree for months. I don’t know about tendenitus.


33 posted on 07/27/2014 1:44:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: lee martell

My wife had a knee replacement. Acupuncture was miraculous in the way it helped her pain. Watching her walk after the operation and an acupuncture treatment left me agape. There is no hyperbole in that statement.


34 posted on 07/27/2014 1:53:28 PM PDT by stevem
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To: lee martell

No needles for me. However, I have liked Instaflex a LOT - check it out on Amazon. I don’t have tendonitis, but have had hip joint pain due, I think, to a flu shot.


35 posted on 07/27/2014 1:54:32 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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Acupuncture helps to MASK pain. The effectiveness varies from person to person. However, keep in mind that it is not a treatment for the underlying cause of pain.


36 posted on 07/27/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Have you checked out food grade diatomaceous earth. It is wonderful for several ailments. Did a quick search and tendonitis was one of them. I take it and so do my siblings. Sprinkle a little on my dog and cats’ food.

Do the research. Quite a remarkable product. Also virgin coconut oil and silver biotics. All three of these items should be in everyone’s emergency kit.


37 posted on 07/27/2014 2:10:06 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: lee martell

Lee,
I wrote a reply, and it disappeared! You need to find a good herb doc, as we’re all different, and the herbs are tailored to different needs. If you have a “Chinatown” near you, ask around.


38 posted on 07/27/2014 2:24:47 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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Thanks. I will visit Chinatown in Oakland. During the morning or early afternoon hours, of course.


39 posted on 07/27/2014 2:26:45 PM PDT by lee martell
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Oakland? You should have no problem finding a good doc!


40 posted on 07/27/2014 2:33:52 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: lee martell

Acupuncture has been very effective in releaving acute neck pain caused by injury years ago in close relative. Key is finding a good acupuncturist and going a couple of times a week at least for up to 15 to 20 visits.

I cured acute foot pain caused by Plantar Faciatist with Curcumin/Tumeric. There was very quick results with this product. Here is a link with info and product. http://curcumin-turmeric.com/

The product I used was the Extra Strength CuraMed from Terry’s Naturally: http://www.terrynaturallyvitamins.com/products/curamed-750-mg/

This product works, I could barely walk before I started on it.


41 posted on 07/27/2014 3:04:33 PM PDT by Captain7seas (Beware of "enviromentalist" spewing lies)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Confucius say: “Acupuncture only work if patient get point of it.”


42 posted on 07/27/2014 3:06:38 PM PDT by mikrofon (Needles to say...)
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To: lee martell

I wore magnets for a year and it has not returned.


43 posted on 07/27/2014 3:19:29 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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Gave up on the idea of acupuncture when my wife went to one of the most recommended “practices” in our major city here in Texas. She was pregnant at the time and was told it would help with her morning sickness. The acupuncturist treated her and then told her to go smoke a joint. It would help with the morning sickness. (we didn’t follow the advice, btw.)

Seriously.........


44 posted on 07/27/2014 3:19:38 PM PDT by I_Publius
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To: lee martell

you might find this interesting

http://destroychronicpain.wordpress.com/tendinitis/


45 posted on 07/27/2014 3:28:37 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lee martell

Look up prolotherapy. The idea is to strengthen the tendon via an an injection of proliferant agents that provoke an immune response which then leads to tissue regeneration.


46 posted on 07/27/2014 3:30:13 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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My wife started acupuncture 3 weeks ago. First session was $100, had a little effect. Next two were $90 and she says they really helped. She has a bad back, every night I would put 4 pain patches on her back. For the last two weeks she did not need any.

The Dr came here from China in 1990, has a medical degree, and said that acupuncture is required for their medical degree.


47 posted on 07/27/2014 3:38:37 PM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: lee martell
How I tape... start in the inside just below the ankle bone, pull under the foot...
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10552647_813601268684882_5844790036574626810_n.jpg

..then tear or the tape
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/13882_813601272018215_6324525050595782600_n.jpg

The generic tapes are not very good... ACE is okay, Franklin, Futuro, and Mueller are great

48 posted on 07/27/2014 3:45:27 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Maudeen

Okay, but how do you get the dog food/cat food down? Do you chase it with anything?

: )


49 posted on 07/27/2014 3:46:49 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Bulwinkle

Thanks. I’ve gotten pretty good at achieve ‘Mummy Wrap Status’ with ace bandage.


50 posted on 07/27/2014 3:50:42 PM PDT by lee martell
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