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1 posted on 10/08/2014 3:56:33 PM PDT by Kartographer
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I suppose it also explains - to various interested parties - how to improve Apache countermeasures, including those involving software.


2 posted on 10/08/2014 3:58:30 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Thank you for self-censoring.)
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If you have a shoulder-fired SAM, it's not that difficult.

Getting the SAM is the hard part.

3 posted on 10/08/2014 3:59:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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The best way, as I recall from one of the Rambo movies, is to stand right out in the open and shoot at the helicopter with a bow and arrow. By all means, ragheads, give it a try.

Allahu akhbar!

4 posted on 10/08/2014 4:00:14 PM PDT by IronJack
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We should have never armed the mujahideen. By doing so we inadvertently created the mess we are in now.

BTW, I was all for arming the mujahideen in the 80's. I was young and ignorant. Now I look at arming the Syrian rebels in the same light as arming the mujahideen.

5 posted on 10/08/2014 4:01:05 PM PDT by BBell (I'm cynical and sarcastic and therefore I love Ann Coulter)
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I would hope that anyone operating helicopters against ISIS elements has more aggressive ROEs than what were apparently in use previously. Trying to do anything except hide against night operating Apaches using aggressive ROEs is a quick way to get killed. A concealed sniper gets maybe one shot, and then he gets to see if his cover can withstand 30mm rounds.


9 posted on 10/08/2014 4:15:08 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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ISIS Shoots Down Iraqi Military Helicopter, Killing 2

By KIRK SEMPLE and OMAR AL-JAWOSHY OCT. 8, 2014

BAGHDAD — Insurgents from the Islamic State militant group shot down an Iraqi military helicopter on Wednesday near the refinery town of Baiji, killing two onboard, Iraqi military officials said.

It was the second time in less than a week that the militants had shot down an Iraqi military helicopter, raising the stakes for the Iraqi military and the United States-led coalition fighting the group, which have dominated the sky during a campaign of airstrikes.

The American military command began deploying attack helicopters in recent days in its missions against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, putting its pilots at greater risk from ground fire.

Islamic State fighters apparently used a shoulder-fired missile on Wednesday morning to bring down the helicopter, which was on a surveillance mission northeast of Baiji, a town about 120 miles north of Baghdad and the site of the country’s largest oil refinery, officials said. The Associated Press reported that the aircraft was a Bell 407, which are primarily used for surveillance.

The pilot and co-pilot were killed in the attack, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on the record. By early afternoon, rescue teams had still not been able to reach the crash site to recover the bodies, officials said.

On Friday, also using a shoulder-fired missile, militants shot down another Iraqi military helicopter near Baiji, killing the pilot and co-pilot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/world/middleeast/isis-iraq-violence.html?_r=0


12 posted on 10/08/2014 4:21:29 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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MANPADS aren’t like a 1903A3. They can’t be stored and ignored indefinitely and still be expected to function when needed.


13 posted on 10/08/2014 4:21:32 PM PDT by fso301
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Just have em watch Duck Dynasty.. they’ll figure it out .. Or get 72 voigins real quick.


14 posted on 10/08/2014 4:23:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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portable surface-to-air missiles, such as the Russian-made SA-16 and SA-18 and the American FIM-92 Stinger,


Strangely enough, these are the exact missiles that the Obama Administration, and Qatar transferred to ISIS via Benghazi through a Turkish intermediary.

16 posted on 10/08/2014 4:24:37 PM PDT by rdcbn
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Active Duty ping.


39 posted on 10/08/2014 6:18:56 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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Did they use Hillary Clinton’s Book Publisher?


40 posted on 10/08/2014 6:46:47 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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