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Most Ruthless leaders of all time
Business Insider ^ | October 7, 2015 | Elena Holodny and Amanda Macias

Posted on 10/16/2015 3:29:36 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy

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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Quote: "I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!"


61 posted on 10/16/2015 5:29:49 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Countess Elizabeth Báthory de Ecsed (aka the Blood Countess)

Now she was a TOTAL crackpot. I unfortunately read a book about her and it was rather all too horrible to get my head around, just unbelievably gruesome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory


62 posted on 10/16/2015 5:30:19 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Boogieman

“Ruthless killers who are charismatic sometimes end up on the throne!”

Yes like Henry VIII lol


63 posted on 10/16/2015 5:31:40 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: dfwgator

What was his massacre total, do we know? I’ve just looked and I can’t find a total.


64 posted on 10/16/2015 5:34:38 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

I read somewhere under his rule an entire third of the population was employed by the Secret Police.


65 posted on 10/16/2015 5:35:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

A despot for sure. It’s odd because as you say, Albania being so small, its often overlooked.


66 posted on 10/16/2015 5:38:32 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: laplata
There is no doubt in my mind that without our Second Amendment, Obama would certainly have already been put on that list.

You were dead-on with that statement. The constitution of the United States, one of the greatest documents in human history, is all that stood in the way of an absolute dictatorship by the 0bamanation.

67 posted on 10/16/2015 5:49:16 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

It’s ridiculous to put Pinochet on the same list as Stalin. It’s like equating the A bomb and a firecracker.


68 posted on 10/16/2015 5:53:27 PM PDT by Argus
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To: luvbach1

You were dead-on with that statement. The constitution of the United States, one of the greatest documents in human history, is all that stood in the way of an absolute dictatorship by the 0bamanation.


Well said.


69 posted on 10/16/2015 5:54:11 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: PIF

Something is off here ....

Yep, Business Insider had him at about 40 Mill, my reading is about 70 mill.

Some of their summaries are pretty tame.


70 posted on 10/16/2015 6:09:48 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Scrambler Bob

I have an old “Guiness Book of World Records” lying around somewhere.

I remember it listed Chairman Mao as the world’s greatest murderer at 60 million. I guess that is hard to know for sure.


71 posted on 10/16/2015 6:19:48 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Mohammed. He invented jihad and his legacy lives on today. A predictably glaring PC omission; the elephant in the room.


72 posted on 10/16/2015 7:16:18 PM PDT by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

This part of my comment dealt only with WW2 (1939-1945) and actions of Soviet troops in the countries they were “liberating” or occupying. Most casualties occurred in Poland, during the initial 1939 invasion and few battles, and then the abandonment of the Polish Home Army during the Warsaw Uprising when Stalin refused to come to their aid, though only 20 miles away and fully prepared for combat.

THe Ukrainian genocide occurred in the 1920’s and 30’s.

The Gulags killed unknown numbers from the 1930’s through the 60’s (I had a friend, a Red Army Major/KGB-contact Soviet attorney re war materials contracts, who spent time in the 50’s and 60’s, first in Lubyanka prison, and then in the Trans-Siberian Railroad gulag complex from Potma to Lake Baikal (Avraham Shifrin).

His first hand stories can be found in a 3 volume set of hearings on “Slave Labor in the USSR”, 1972, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, Sen. Judiciary Committee.

I was the only Jewish newspaper journalist to publish his story in the US before he testified, and then later helped him rewrite his fascinating testimony before the House Banking and Currency Committee in 1973, on the hidden Soviet military budget in civilian industry published budgets.

Avram saw many people who died from the harshness of Soviet slave labor camps, or who were murdered in them, as well as having survived being wounded three times in combat during WW2 in a Jewish penal battalion whose casualty rates were so high as to virtually decimate them (which was Stalin’s goal).

I have also met other survivors from the Soviet gulags, including one from the Vorkuta/Archangel complex (John Noble, who was also interned in Germany during WW2, then seized by the Red Army and sent to the gulags along the North Sea).

There is reportedly a newer version of the Black Book on Communism but published by a different group, which has updated casualty figures from communism.

When the final tally is posted, it will be beyond imagination, and something we must shove up the intellectual ass of the Left.


73 posted on 10/16/2015 7:34:51 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Vladimir Putin should have made list too.


74 posted on 10/16/2015 8:21:28 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

They didn’t mention democrats either? Can you say ABORTION!


75 posted on 10/16/2015 8:24:10 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (The last suit you wear has no pockets!)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Bookmark


76 posted on 10/16/2015 8:30:25 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I think some people may be missing the idea that the body counts are not the most critical issue, but the methods they used.

Also this offered scant information.

Julius Caesar and Nero should both be on the list. Neither was much different from Caligula, and all within 150 years if I remember correctly. Ilsa Koch, the bitch of Buchenwald should be here too. (skinned prisoners with tattoos and made gloves and lampshades from the tanned skins) A number of other interesting forms of torture. Nero was known for holding gladiator games, which in the end were pretty bad when he couldn’t find healthy animals, executed a number of political enemies, including family members, both Caligula and Nero nearly bankrupt the country. Caligula was also well known for trolling the streets looking for sex with any one and everyone, sometimes dressed as a woman, took the wives of the political elite to bed before having dinner with their husbands...while the whole party present listened...

Vlad the Impaler - Pretty intense person. Impaled thousands, many during dinner for entertainment. Rounded up all the beggars and gave them a banquet. Asked if there was anything else they desired..maybe have all their earthly cares washed away, which of course resulted in eager applause. He boarded up the building and set it on fire. When a group of Turks refused to remove their headwear at dinner, he had their hats stapled to their heads and sent them home. He put a golden chalise at the town well, supposedly in the capitol city, and proclaimed that all could drink from it but none could take it. It never disappeared.

Torquemada - May have “only” had 2000 burned at the stake. Thousands more died as a result of the torture that was sanctioned by the Pope, not Torquemada. Suspected heretics were tied by their wrists to a contraption from a high ceiling, weights tied to their ankles. The device would drop them several feet, the sudden stop dislocating various joints. A large wheel was built and the suspect tied to it, his feet repeatedly dropped into a small fire than removed, a couple of scribes ready nearby to take down his confession.

Elizabeth of Bathory - Particularly nasty woman. Reportedly skinned some young girls alive. Hooked her fingers in one girls mouth and pulled it wider and wider until it ripped the skin. Put another young girl in the courtyard in mid winter and had water poured over her, until she had a frozen human statue to admire. She was eventually aprehended with many corpses under her castle, estimated body count of 600 is generally thought to be pretty accurate. She also had a couple of accomplices, usually lesbian, one kept a running journal of it all. She was walled up in a room in one of her own towers with only a slot to send food through, and sentenced to live out her life there.

I have a book with chapters on several of these same people, as well as Rasputin, Nero, Atilla the Hun...all absolutely evil and most probably psychopaths.


77 posted on 10/16/2015 9:13:14 PM PDT by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
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To: yarddog
Neither Pinochet nor Franco belong on that list. Julius Caesar should probably be on it.

Ditto. Franco in particular had to deal with truly rabid Bolsheviks who murdered their opponents and clergy with gusto. Pinochet just got rid of his commies before they got rid of him.

Caesar's conquest of Gaul probably killed at least 200K and may have enslaved hundreds of thousands more. Although his actions would not have been understood as particularly ruthless by the standards of the time.

78 posted on 10/16/2015 9:35:06 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: cpdiii
Franco saved Spain from the communists. Juan Carlos saved Spain from Franco. All in all it was a pretty damn good outcome.

Certainly a better outcome than if the Republicans had won the Spanish Civil War.

79 posted on 10/16/2015 9:38:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Scrambler Bob

Executed by Mao Tse-Tung: 1923-1949 - 3,466,000
Starved to Death by Mao Tse-Tung:
1958-1961 - 38,000,000
1949-1987 - 35,236,000

Mao’s total: 76,702,000


80 posted on 10/17/2015 3:09:20 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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