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Advice from cops: Don’t talk to cops
Learn Liberty ^ | January 31, 2017 | James Duane

Posted on 03/28/2017 9:52:01 AM PDT by Sopater

Almost every time I speak at a college or law school campus, there are one or two audience members whose mother or father is a police officer or a prosecutor. I always ask them: What did your parents tell you about dealing with the police?

Every one of them, without exception, has told me the same thing: My parents in law enforcement taught me years ago that I should never talk to the police, or agree to let them interview me about anything, or let them search my car or my apartment or my backpack without a warrant.

You need to stop for a minute, and let that sink in.

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To: Sopater

If you do not wish to cooperate with a police officer asking questions:

1) Ask them to identify themselves by stating the following.

“I am unsure of your uniform. If you are a law enforcement officer, please identify yourself”

2) Repeat the following sentence to every question asked.

“On the advice of my attorney, I do not answer questions from law enforcement, or agents of the state, without the presence of my attorney.”

If you are asked to identify yourself, provide your government issued identification but do not answer any question other than with the statement in #2.

Do not respond to even the simplest question. “So your eye color is brown”? May seem like a simple question and easily answered but the pattern is to ask two or three simple questions and get the person talking. From there the occasional “gotcha” question can be slipped in.

Do not forget that law enforcement is allowed to LIE to you.


41 posted on 03/28/2017 10:27:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol (,)
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To: Sopater

1. Cops carry guns to protect themselves and nobody else.
2. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law.
3. Nothing you say may be used in your defense, because it is hearsay in the eyes of the court.


42 posted on 03/28/2017 10:29:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: Yaelle

My son is a cop. Lot of good cops out there but the SYSTEM was taken over by Marxists and they plant their controllers into as many departments as they can—at the TOP-—that is why they are federalizing all the police departments (consolidating top-down control and destroying local control (just like they did “edukation” with the evil jimmy carter).

They put evil “bots” in the highest levels to corrupt and control the lower level policemen-—because of the “good” cops they can’t control yet. They can easily control and get rid of the “good” cops whenever they have their jackboots in power in the police department, so they can literally corrupt the whole force. (It is how the homosexuals (Fr. Oko’s Report) (the homomafia/freemasons) took over the Vatican Bank by the 50s and then the whole system, the Catholic Church with VII and total Marxist control over the Catholic canon so they could flip Good and Evil, (create New Age “religion” where Up is Down and Slavery is Freedom and Boys will be Girls (emasculated) for complete slavery, like they did in all mainstream “religions”). Own the top-—and it rots everything. (I grew up Catholic—raised in private schools my whole life).

Marxism needs top-down control over all the people of power, like they did in East Germany—control courts, judges, police—so they can literally flip Good and Evil, and create a totalitarian (One World religion/satanism) and keep the Good locked up and control the Minds of little children and make Slavery “normal” in their limited brainwashed worldview.

Children raised and embedded in dependency (Prussian system of edukation) will be incapable of freedom/virtue formation (Wisdom of the Ages and thinking critically).

We need to get back our systems—back to the Constitution and Rule of Law-—not Rule by Oligarchy which we have now. Education and the police force HAVE to go back to LOCAL control and to Christian Ethics only. People with other worldview—where humans can be used in evil, dysfunctional ways can never be given that much power-—of the police. Without Virtue formation (Christian Ethics) there is a system which allows the degradation and mutilation and killing and enslaving of human beings. Virtue is essential for freedom and our Systems have to be injected with freedom or we will collapse. Using humans as a Means to an End is irrational, evil and satanism and Marxism which is taught in skools with their normalization of baby-killing and sodomy in kindergarten to destroy Common Sense and virtue formation in little children and normalize evil worldview (satanism/Marxism).


43 posted on 03/28/2017 10:30:28 AM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: taxcontrol
Do not forget that law enforcement is allowed to LIE to you.

An important point often overlooked.

44 posted on 03/28/2017 10:30:45 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Lazamataz

I personally have, in my possession, a police report
= = =

You are dancing on the edge here, revealing that you have “Police Department Business Documents”.

One day I requested a police report. For $15, I got two pages of ‘redacted’ black stripes, with probably one dozen words revealed. I took it back, and got my $15 back. Wish now I had kept it as an example.


45 posted on 03/28/2017 10:30:47 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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To: Sopater

I taught my kids this from a young age.

One night the cops busted a party she was at. The dragged all of the kids out of the house to try to sort out who was drinking and who wasn’t.

She refused to answer any of their questions. She had not been drinking (not that she was an angel as a teen—she wasn’t; they caught her on an off night, I guess.)

Finally one of the Sergeants came up to her and said, “For God’s sake, you are on my basketball team (he was the coach). Its not like I don’t know who your parents are.”

The joys of living in a small town.


46 posted on 03/28/2017 10:31:14 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: Sopater
I've been pulled over for speeding(a few times). I am always asked "Do you know how fast you were going". I used to try to fudge down the speed but that never works. So the last time I tried another tactic, I added 20MPH to the speed I was going. I was doing 80 in a 65 so I say in response to the question "Oh I guess about 100mph." Well the cop laughs and said no "you weren't going that fast I have you on radar". See this way I get him going in the right direction kind of defending me against myself. He let me go with a warning. I think I amused him.
47 posted on 03/28/2017 10:34:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sopater
The author of the article explains in some videos the reasons for not talking to the police.

This article understates one of the possible problems with talking to the police. Item 3, relating to a mistaken witness, who contradicts your truthful statement, warns the reader that "... the police might prosecute you for the offense of lying to them."

What the written article misses and the video covers is that the appearance of lying about a material fact regarding the commision of a crime could be used as circumstantial evidence that one committed that crime and result in a successful prosecution.

For example, if you truthfully state that you were out of town when a murder was committed, but a mistaken witness states that you were seen in town that day, you might find your denial used as evidence to convict you of murder, not just lying to the police.

48 posted on 03/28/2017 10:37:00 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Lazamataz
I personally have, in my possession, a police report in which the officer in question made up my ‘admission’ out of whole cloth

I had a cop bump up my speeding ticket by a few miles per hour to get me into the range for a mandatory court date rather than just paying the fine to the clerk. I didn't try the "I was only going 75 in a 55 zone" defense. But I did remember that cops will lie if you don't have contrary evidence.

49 posted on 03/28/2017 10:41:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity - Pres. Eisenhower)
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To: Mr. Douglas
The side subject here is that you really, REALLY do not want to find yourself in a court of law as a defendant in a criminal case. At all costs.

Even if you are completely innocent of all wrongdoing, you can still easily find yourself being questioned by police.

Big example: domestic violence. You may be sure that your current girlfriend/wife is an angel who would never want harm to come to you. Are you willing to bet your life and future on her never getting pissed off enough at you that she claims you hit her or were "emotionally abusive"?

Second big example: one of your kids do drugs, and keep a stash in your house. You want to lose your house?

50 posted on 03/28/2017 10:42:31 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Redbob

You should tell Martha Stewart that. Remember she didn’t go down for insider trading, she went down for lying to investigating officers. The fact of the matter is cops aren’t on your side, and anything you say or they see can be used against you. And it’s surprisingly easy for them to decide you intend to commit a crime. Even if you’re found innocent you still have all that hassle.


51 posted on 03/28/2017 10:43:11 AM PDT by discostu (There are times when all the world's asleep, the questions run too deep, for such a simple man.)
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To: Sopater

Last time I talked to a cop was 7 years ago when I said “Excuse me?” when I didn’t hear what he said. He went ballistic saying I was getting smart with him. He ended up giving me a $75 tix for a TAG light being out (the reason he pulled me over at 630am)..Not an inspection order, a ticket. While I agree they have a tough job dealing with the public nowadays, but in a lot of cases, they bring it on themselves. When this occurred, I was 59, heading for work, suit-n-tie, and the state boy that pulled me over was probably mid 20s.


52 posted on 03/28/2017 10:46:03 AM PDT by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
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To: plain talk

“So you get pulled over for a speeding ticket ...

“may I see your driver’s license and registration, please?”

(frozen silence)

Yeah, right. :-)”

In most states you are required by law to provide your operators license when pulled over during a traffic stop.

You don’t have to say a word but you are required to give the officer your license,Registration and certificate of automobile insurance coverage.


53 posted on 03/28/2017 10:52:01 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Mr. Douglas

He’s a lawyer.....’nuff said.


54 posted on 03/28/2017 10:52:03 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus

That is not a response. That is ad-hominem.


55 posted on 03/28/2017 10:58:11 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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To: Sopater
Two rules:

1)Never talk to a cop/detective.

2)Never lie to a cop/detective

When in doubt, see rule 1.

56 posted on 03/28/2017 10:58:31 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Ambition Without Talent Is Sad, Talent Without Ambition Is Worse)
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To: Mr. Douglas

mine or his?


57 posted on 03/28/2017 11:00:48 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: ratzoe

I would have reported the punk state trooper to his superiors.

Even if I still had to pay for the TAG light ticket, I would have enjoyed placing a black mark against his record. He had no right to lay into you just because you couldn’t hear the jerk.


58 posted on 03/28/2017 11:03:35 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation ("You can't fix America without pissing off the people who broke it".....Bill Mitchell)
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To: Strac6

You may want to revisit the article. It seems that the subject matter eluded you.


59 posted on 03/28/2017 11:05:03 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Roccus

Yours.

The clear implication was that since he is a lawyer, that’s all we need to know.

Now, I love a good lawyer joke as much as the next guy, but I’ve found that lawyers are like doctors, bus drivers, daycare workers and fry cooks: There are good ones, bad ones, and everything in between. A great John Grisham book, The Street Lawyer, gets into this.

This guy nails it, and his comments about “prison cells filled with innocent people” come from a position of knowledge and experience. It is not uncommon for an attorney to KNOW a guilty man walked or an innocent man was convicted. It comes with the territory.

After a couple of decades of this, one sees a pattern.

And no, I’m not an attorney, but I’ve known plenty and discussed this with some. Fact is, sometimes justice is so blind that it allows injustice to happen right under its nose.


60 posted on 03/28/2017 11:05:57 AM PDT by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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