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Mankind is at a 'tipping point' as automation and AI begins to replace us in a 'long [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | September 5, 2017 | Moshe Y. Vardi

Posted on 09/06/2017 6:23:17 AM PDT by C19fan

As automation and artificial intelligence technologies improve, many people worry about the future of work. If millions of human workers no longer have jobs, the worriers ask, what will people do, how will they provide for themselves and their families, and what changes might occur (or be needed) in order for society to adjust? Many economists say there is no need to worry.

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TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: ai; robotics
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The optimists point out the benefits of the Industrial Revolution. They were right in the long run but the process was painful and bloody. There is plenty of evidence that the first 100 years of industrialization until around 1850 resulted in lower standings of living for the common person. Many of the societal turmoils of the era, for example, the revolutions of 1848, were driven by the effects of industrialization. Be prepared for a very bumpy ride.
1 posted on 09/06/2017 6:23:17 AM PDT by C19fan
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If most of your customer base is not working, how will you sell your product? Henry Ford knew that


2 posted on 09/06/2017 6:25:32 AM PDT by redgolum
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Our new Robber Barons have the solution; guaranteed income from the gov’t.


3 posted on 09/06/2017 6:26:23 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The argument can be made that this time it is different. i.e. EVERY SINGLE OCCUPATION IMAGINABLE will be replaced.

This video is quite interesting and attacks the issue head on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

“Humans Need Not Apply”


4 posted on 09/06/2017 6:27:44 AM PDT by robroys woman
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This is total BS

Automation is not going to kill all jobs, if for no other reason than it would take 20 years working at full employment to build and integrate all those robots.

The rise of automation will generate new jobs that do not even exist now and create new fields of employment unless we institute a guaranteed income which will trap people in welfare

A guaranteed annual income will manufacture an idle welfare class and give rise to all the dysfunctionality the the current welfare system does

5 posted on 09/06/2017 6:29:45 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: C19fan

Our new Robber Barons have the solution; guaranteed income from the gov’t.


That may actually be the only solution. And no, I’m no fan of such a thing. If people are not productive, they rot.


6 posted on 09/06/2017 6:29:46 AM PDT by robroys woman
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To: redgolum

And machines don’t pay taxes to the federal treasury.


7 posted on 09/06/2017 6:29:48 AM PDT by ex91B10
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To: C19fan

That’s good news. I read AI and assumed we were about be treated like beef ... Whew ...


8 posted on 09/06/2017 6:30:46 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (.There is no difference between liberals/rinos/moslems/lamestream)
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To: redgolum

Why do you need a customer base?
In fact, why would you need people?


9 posted on 09/06/2017 6:31:09 AM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: rdcbn

The rise of automation will generate new jobs that do not even exist now


Why won’t the robots/AI be able to do them?

The video I posted previously is interesting...


10 posted on 09/06/2017 6:31:21 AM PDT by robroys woman
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To: C19fan

Hopefully, the obnoxious Silicon Valley billionaires will be the first group replaced by their creations. Karma.


11 posted on 09/06/2017 6:31:49 AM PDT by txrefugee (.)
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To: Leep

If I am making widgets, someone has to buy them.

If no one has the money to buy them, I won’t be making widgets very long.


12 posted on 09/06/2017 6:32:36 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: C19fan

13 posted on 09/06/2017 6:33:00 AM PDT by z3n
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To: robroys woman; C19fan
The argument can be made that this time it is different. i.e. EVERY SINGLE OCCUPATION IMAGINABLE will be replaced.

I very much doubt that.

People are infinitely creative. People will find things to do.

People invent things that no one ever imagined that they needed and suddenly everyone needs it.

Can a computer that doesn’t have feet imagine a need for shoes, socks or socks with toes?

14 posted on 09/06/2017 6:45:02 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: rdcbn

Unless there are jobs where it is impossible to create processes that allows automation, I don’t see how humanity can keep up with computers and robots that double their intelligence and capacities every 18 months, or so.

It’s like that story where a Chinese emperor rewarded a peasent, for saving the emperor’s son, with one wish. He wished that, on the first day of the month, he gets a single grain of rice. Every subsequent day, his allotment of rice doubled, so the second day he received two grains of rice. On the third day, he received 4 grains. By the monthend, he owned all the rice in China.

Even if computers dont even have the intelligence of an amoeba right now, if their capacity doubled thirty times over over the next 50 years, would they really be that dumb?


15 posted on 09/06/2017 6:47:40 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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The problem is that the whole underpinnings of free market capitalism rests on the ability of human A to provide value to human B such that human B will voluntarily give part of himself in exchange.

When all of our physical needs (shelter, food, medicine, travel, recreation, protection, etc...) are being provided by AI and automation, the value that other humans can provide to you shrinks to zero.

Money has historically been used as a measure of one’s value to others. This will have to change in the future and we will have to find a new system of distributing resources. I am honestly terrified of every possibility that my inferior mind can come up with.


16 posted on 09/06/2017 6:48:18 AM PDT by nitzy
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“On the Eighth Day the machines just got upset...”


17 posted on 09/06/2017 7:01:04 AM PDT by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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Bkmrk


18 posted on 09/06/2017 7:02:07 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Imprison Obama, Clintons, Holder, lynch now.)
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Bkmrk


19 posted on 09/06/2017 7:02:33 AM PDT by morphing libertarian (Imprison Obama, Clintons, Holder, lynch now.)
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To: Pontiac

Can a computer that doesn’t have feet imagine a need for shoes, socks or socks with toes?


Yes.

The problem is that creativity must be nurtured. Computers ARE creative now. This is one of the things mentioned in the video. Also mentioned in the video is that we don’t need billions of creative people. And even then, most of the things created by people can be created by AI. And people need to be incentivized to create. When the system fights creativity, little happens. It’s why the soviets mostly just ripped off the inventions of the west.

What is about to happen is that AI will beat humans at virtually every single thing human beings endeavor to do. There may be a few humans that bring real value to the table, but eventually even thy will be replaced. It really is inevitable.

It’s one of the reasons I believe the Lord’s return will be soon. Either that or there will be a complete collapse of western civilization and we will start mostly from scratch.


20 posted on 09/06/2017 7:09:04 AM PDT by robroys woman
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