Retro Start menu star Classic Shell heads out to pasture (developer abandons it, yikes!)

ComputerWorld ^ | Dec 4, 2017 | Woody Leonhard

[dayglored]

> classic shell is a big part of why I can tolerate and actually like windows 10.

I'm right with you, at least on the "tolerate" aspect. :-)

> I think there’s a good chance the freeware sourceforge community will keep it going decently.

Fingers crossed.

[AppyPappy]

Sometimes you have to throw the crutch away and learn to walk.

[relictele]

Don’t get me started on school consolidation especially in areas like WV.

‘A better education’ involves 1.5 hr bus rides one way, classes of 35-40 kids or more and windowless, soulless box buildings with soulless names like Southwest Franklin County Consolidated & Vocational Tech. Naturally, such large schools require 4 principals, 5 secretaries, etc. etc.

Of course, some classes are considerably smaller when a single school is compelled to offer special ed and other accommodations no matter how severe a child’s disabilities or how much cash must be spent on their individual cases. Teachers are hired by the truckload for 4:1, even 2:1 ratios in those instances.

The final insult: cherished, often historical nicknames are jettisoned in favor of safe PC mascots, invariably animals who can’t file a grievance. Cue a parade of Eagles, Jaguars, Panthers, Hawks, etc. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[relictele]

or > directory.csv

which can be opened in Excel ;)

[relictele]

or > directory.csv

which can be opened in Excel ;)

[usconservative]

All you’re changing is the filename extension to open it in Excel, however IIRC it’s still going to require setting column widths, etc.. to make it look right, but if that’s all you’re trying to do is make it clickable for Excel, your naming methodology works just fine. :-)

[cva66snipe]

I really am a Free Market kind of guy, but there are unpleasant consequences to such a system. Microsoft would see revenue dry up if they released a perfect OS which never needed to be upgraded. They would indeed be better off to trash such a thing.

If MS were a car manufacturer using design reasoning they do developing new OS they would put the steering wheel in a different seating each new model as well as put the brake and accelerator elsewhere for the sole sake of calling it a change. They would cease to exist very quickly. Long time ago MS bought or or sued competition out of existence and have been happy to produce inferior products ever since. W/XP will probably go down as their peak product in efficiency and ease of use. WINDERS ME, 8, 10, and ones to follow if any as being their very worse.

[Auntie Mame]

I don’t understand this. I have a folder, say it’s called STUFF. It has some documents and a few subfolders containing their own documents in it. I would like to print a list of the documents and subfolders along with a list of the subfolders’ documents in my STUFF folder. Where do I put this “C:\> DIR /s >directory.txt” to get a printable document?

For example, I want to print out a directory listing of a folder located inside MY DOCUMENTS, like this:

STUFF (folder inside MY DOCUMENTS)
MOM’S STUFF (subfolder of STUFF)
Deed to House (document inside MOM’S STUFF folder)
letter (document inside MOM’s STUFF folder)
BILL’S LETTERS (subfolder of STUFF folder)
Letter to Gas Co (document inside BILL’S LETTERS folder)
Document inside STUFF folder
Document inside STUFF folder
Document inside STUFF folder

How does one get a directory listing like this to print using “C:\> DIR /s >directory.txt”? Where do I type “C:\> DIR /s >directory.txt”?

BTW, I’m using Windows 7

Any help would be much appreciated. Believe me, I’ve googled this many many times and have NEVER found a way to print this. It should be a very simple process, don’t you think?

[TomGuy]

Google: “print list of files in folder and subfolders windows 7”

There are several entries.

[MayflowerMadam]

Another shortcut I use ALL the time is Windows key + E. It pops up the Explore file manager.

[minnesota_bound]

The Firefox app called “Classic Theme Restorer” which brings back the old look of Firefox instead of the Google Chrome look will not work in the latest version of Firefox.

I do not like the minimalist look of Chrome.
Hopefully the developer of this app will update so it does work in the later versions.

[minnesota_bound]

#37 Windows 10 still does not have the ability to print a list of your files in a folder. File> print and select what you want to do
How hard would that be?
Windows 10 is just Windows 95 with a different look.

[discostu]

At some point ya gotta learn the new UI.

[dayglored]

> Sometimes you have to throw the crutch away and learn to walk.

Hopefully, you were just being sarcastic, and forgot your /sarc tag. Right? :-) But in case you were serious:

Suppose instead of the user interface on an operating system, we were talking about the user interface in a car. And for many years you've been driving around in a car like most others:

• Round steering wheel.
• Steering wheel is on the left side of the dash.
• Automatic transmission with P-R-N-D-L shift positions.
• Headlight control is a knob on the dash or the stalk.
• ... and so on.

Now here comes the manufacturer's latest "improved" automobile design. It has:

• A rubber joystick instead of a steering wheel.
• The joystick is mounted above the driver's seat and extends downward.
• The transmission shift positions are L-D-R-P-N for no apparent good reason.
• Headlight control is a horizontal ribbon in front of the passenger seat.

Anyone would have a hard time dealing with these "improvements" to the user interface.

So along comes someone with a free "customizing" package that puts everything more or less back where you're used to. It means you can drive your car without killing anybody or yourself.

And you call that a "crutch"? I call it the Free Market responding to consumer demand in the face of ridiculously bad design decisions by a manufacturer. Something every Conservative would be proud of.

[dayglored]

> At some point ya gotta learn the new UI.

Really? Why? See my (only somewhat exaggerated) comment #54 above.

Microsoft has lost their way. I hope they find it again, soon.

[AppyPappy]

It’s a computer, not a car. Your computer will not kill you if you use it incorrectly.
You learned to use a fork after using a spoon as a child. You can do this. Don’t be a martyr.

[dayglored]

> You can do this. Don’t be a martyr.

LOL, of course I can do it.

I'm not a martyr, I'm a System Admin, and I have lots of users at my place of employment who depend on me to keep -their- Win10 systems happy. I have more than enough opportunity to deal with Win10 at work.

At home, I only fire Win10 up for compatibility testing. Otherwise, I use Win7, not because I can't do Win10, but because I don't have any compelling desire to deal with it on my own time, too.

A simple matter of personal preference, and I happen to be quite pleased that the Free Market produced a product that assists me in my daily tasks. I'm sure that as a fellow conservative-minded individual, you agree that that's how it's supposed to work.

[TChad]

The posters are trying to get you to run a command from a command prompt.

The "C:\>" in "C:\> DIR /s >directory.txt" is not something you type, it is already shown in the command prompt. You type the DIR /s >directory.txt after you have changed the directory in the command prompt to your Documents directory.

Here's what a command prompt looks like:

Notice that it is opened to the directory "C:\Users\Mrhope"

Here's how to start a command prompt:

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/7-ways-launch-command-prompt-windows-7-windows-8

Typing the line below as a command and pressing Enter might or might not change your directory to your Documents directory. If it does not, I'm afraid you will have to hunt around until you find it. Anyway, enter this:

cd /d "%userprofile%\Documents"

If that command works, you should be inside your Documents directory.

Assuming that you are in the right folder, rather than "DIR /s >directory.txt" type this:

dir /b /s >dirlist1234.txt

That will create a list of full paths for files contained in the Documents directory and its subdirectories, in a new file named dirlist1234.txt. That file will be in your Documents directory. It should open with any word processor.

There are various ways for this to go wrong, and I no longer have any Windows 7 computers to test it. But it might work.

[Paradox]

I am an older guy, been using computers since JCL on an IBM 3360. I loved Windows 7, held on to it through Windows 8. I tried Windows 10 and, after a couple of weeks, I love it! I have few complaints.

[discostu]

Because times change, reality changes, evolve or die. Doesn’t matter if the new UI is good or bad, it’s what’s running the new stuff, it’s the direction the industry is going, you’re either keeping up or becoming a dinosaur.

People have been insisting MS lost their way for over a quarter of a century. Apparently that is their way.