Autopsy: 22-year-old was mauled to death by her own dogs

http://www.fox5ny.com/ ^ | 2/21/18

[Arlis]

In my back yard - very close to me - you are correct........

[kelly4c]

Why would you not believe it? What reason would they have to be making it up? Have you not heard all the stories over the years about pit bulls almost and actually killing people?

[sodpoodle]

That area of VA has bears and coyotes - so I checked for more articles on this tragedy. Police have indicated there is no evidence any other animal was involved - just her two dogs.

Such a loss for her family.

[kelly4c]

Might as well domesticate lions for pete’s sake.

[Arlis]

True, but the bears are rare - except in western part of county.

In eastern part, one seen every few years......coyotes common, but as usual, they stay out of sight.

[kelly4c]

A dog is not an object. A dog is a living being with a mind of its own. Not a good analogy. Also I’ve read of quite a few incidents where one was raised as a family dog by nice, normal people and it turned on them. You just never know with these dogs. You can say you never know with any dog, but hey, at least the others aren’t known for persisting until their victim is maimed or dead.

[ThinkingBuddha]

A dog is not an object. A dog is a living being with a mind of its own. Not a good analogy. Also I’ve read of quite a few incidents where one was raised as a family dog by nice, normal people and it turned on them. You just never know with these dogs. You can say you never know with any dog, but hey, at least the others aren’t known for persisting until their victim is maimed or dead.

It comes down to personal responsibility. People who do not have the knowledge or capability of handling powerful breeds, or have people living with them, who cant handle powerful breeds, should not own them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV2uoG9RtE

[CurlyDave]

..Pitbulls. The moslems of the canine world...

Drug dealer's dog of choice -- horrible animals for civilized people to have nearby.

[Delta 21]

If the dogs were still lashed to her I have no doubt they would use her body for food as soon as they new she wasnt her any more. Meat is just meat unless it is telling you to stop chewing.

But how she died has got me. One of her pitts could have turned on her or she could have startled one or both of them. Pitts are unpredictable. I wouldnt own one, but cant see anyone wanting one that doesnt bond with you as the owner. If they bond with an owner are they just as easy to unbond and rip your throat out? I know their inbreeding for fighting has the entire Staffordshire line screwed up in the US and maybe world wide.

I own a few of the deadly French Bulldogs you here so much about. Tons cuter than weiner dogs and dont share the disgraceful political connotation.

[super7man]

Like, it was so weird. They never did that before.

Wikipedia Fatal Dog Attacks

[T-Bone Texan]

"...Tatted, but then a lot of women are now...."

Still, points off for that.

[toast]

You’re right about Plott hounds. My dog is half Plott. The other half is lab and border collie. He is the sweetest thing alive to anybody he knows, but he needs an introduction for others.

[Tax-chick]

That’s the sort of comparison that sounds clever to people who can’t distinguish a living being from an inanimate object.

[ThinkingBuddha]

That’s the sort of comparison that sounds clever to people who can’t distinguish a living being from an inanimate object.

People who don't take personal responsibility, or dont understand dogs, will never get it. If you have a powerful dog breed; you and your household have the responsibility to know how to train and control it. You have a responsibility to test its temperament and/or buy from a responsible breeder who does it. Dogs ALWAYS give warning signs; a responsible owner should know have to read it, correct it; especially if it is a powerful breed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV2uoG9RtE.

An idiot with a gun kills people; ban the gun. An Idiot with a dog breed he/she is not capable of handling; the dog goes out of control and kills; ban the breed!

[RegulatorCountry]

I’ve got a lab border collie mix laying at my feet right now, funny dog, obsessed with retrieving but also tries to herd. As far as the typical lab love of water, his spirit’s willing but the body isn’t quite up to it, he flails, sputters and splashes but doesn’t make much progress to the point that I’m afraid I’ll have to dive in and get him. Finally threw in the towel and got him one of those inflatable dog floatie jackets, lol.

[Tax-chick]

I understand your point, but it just doesn’t work as rhetoric. A gun doesn’t break through the fence and kill the old lady next door - or even her cat - regardless of how stupid the owner is.

[ThinkingBuddha]

I understand your point, but it just doesn’t work as rhetoric. A gun doesn’t break through the fence and kill the old lady next door - or even her cat - regardless of how stupid the owner is.

A dog just did not get up one day, decide to break the fence and kill an old lady, even though the media keeps perpetuating this line from stupid owners/friend. There were warning sighs of bad breeding and raising, long before that happened. It IS the owners fault for not being capable, or responsible enough to recognize and correct bad behavior, or putting down the animal, if it was not mentally stable.

[Tax-chick]

A dog just did not get up one day, decide to break the fence, and kill an old lady, or child or cat or other dog.

I agree that the owners are responsible, but comparing the dog ... which is independently mobile ... to a gun just does not work.

It would make more sense to compare the dog to a human being, perhaps a child with psychological problems, who does serious harm to others.

[ThinkingBuddha]

The dog was ALWAYS going to kill someone or something; it was just a matter of when, not if. Unlike a child, a dog with issues that cant be corrected, CAN be put down. The owner was totally in control of the outcome.

It does work to make that comparison. Owning both a powerful dog breed and a gun comes with great responsibility. You should know to handle them, or should not be owning them. In both cases the owner IS in control of the outcome.

[Tax-chick]

I think the difference between something that can act on its own (a dog) and something that can’t act on its own (a gun) is significant. You appear to disagree. Whatever.

Other than that, we seem to agree: humans are morally (and legally) responsible, animals and objects are not.