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Would Human Extinction Be a Tragedy?
NY Times ^ | December 17, 2018 | Todd May

Posted on 12/17/2018 5:55:34 AM PST by C19fan

There are stirrings of discussion these days in philosophical circles about the prospect of human extinction. This should not be surprising, given the increasingly threatening predations of climate change. In reflecting on this question, I want to suggest an answer to a single question, one that hardly covers the whole philosophical territory but is an important aspect of it. Would human extinction be a tragedy?

To get a bead on this question, let me distinguish it from a couple of other related questions. I’m not asking whether the experience of humans coming to an end would be a bad thing. (In these pages, Samuel Scheffler has given us an important reason to think that it would be.) I am also not asking whether human beings as a species deserve to die out. That is an important question, but would involve different considerations. Those questions, and others like them, need to be addressed if we are to come to a full moral assessment of the prospect of our demise. Yet what I am asking here is simply whether it would be a tragedy if the planet no longer contained human beings. And the answer I am going to give might seem puzzling at first. I want to suggest, at least tentatively, both that it would be a tragedy and that it might just be a good thing.

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To: CharleysPride

And I feel fine.


21 posted on 12/17/2018 6:17:34 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: luvbach1
"If all human life were extinguished at once who would take over as the dominant life force on earth? I’d say vegetation. Is there an animal who could take over in our stead? They say the dolphins are extremely intelligent but they would have mobility issues in trying to run New York."

What makes you think intelligence is a requirement?

Right now, insects on earth outweigh humans. How do you define "dominant?" ;)

22 posted on 12/17/2018 6:17:56 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: outpostinmass2

The world would be a better place if we could arrange for leftist extinction.


23 posted on 12/17/2018 6:32:09 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: C19fan
Would Humanist Extinction Be a Tragedy?

Not really ... considering

24 posted on 12/17/2018 6:34:14 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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To: C19fan
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25 posted on 12/17/2018 6:39:32 AM PST by HotHunt (Reagan was good but TRUMP IS GREAT!)
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To: GOPJ

I always remember back when the South End of Boston went through gentrification. Prior to gentrification the South End looked like a film set for a WWII movie. Burnt out building shells and boarded up buildings on every block. Then the yuppies moved in and fixed up the entire neighborhood. The population of the South End is now 1/2 of what it was before gentrification.


26 posted on 12/17/2018 6:42:53 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: C19fan

To who? Muvver erf will shake us off like a wet dog shakes off water and continue circling the sun. (Unless it’s really the sun circling us!) Kind of like the tv series about life after humans. Who’ll care? If animals survive, they will balance themselves out eventually.


27 posted on 12/17/2018 6:47:04 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rbg81
I’ve noticed for a while that Liberals have been fantasizing about human extinction...

And they've been doing 'the sky is falling' thing for decades. Remember 'peak oil, nuclear winter, global cooling, global warming, mass starvation, bird extinction by DDT, dead polar bears, Arctic ice melted, natural resources depleted by 1998 etc etc etc.

It's possible liberals are afraid of their own deaths and use these 'sky is falling' BS stories as a way to deal with their own fears.

28 posted on 12/17/2018 6:49:06 AM PST by GOPJ (TERM LIMIT DC SWAMP BUREAUCRATS - a permanent un-elected ruling class is a threat to our freedom.)
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To: rbg81
I’ve noticed for a while that Liberals have been fantasizing about human extinction...

And they've been doing 'the sky is falling' thing for decades. Remember 'peak oil, nuclear winter, global cooling, global warming, mass starvation, bird extinction by DDT, dead polar bears, Arctic ice melted, natural resources depleted by 1998 etc etc etc.

It's possible liberals are afraid of their own deaths and use these 'sky is falling' BS stories as a way to deal with their own fears. Todd May falls right in with the rest of 'em...

29 posted on 12/17/2018 6:49:37 AM PST by GOPJ (TERM LIMIT DC SWAMP BUREAUCRATS - a permanent un-elected ruling class is a threat to our freedom.)
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To: C19fan
whether it would be a tragedy if the planet no longer contained human beings.

depends on what the standard of value is. Leftard environmentalists believe in the intrinsic value of nature as the standard of value, rather than life proper to a rational being.

30 posted on 12/17/2018 6:50:45 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: GOPJ

With everyone dead who be around to call it anything?
With no human consciousness to feel the “pathos” it would be an “event” like to asteroids colliding. A completely unknown anonymous event since there is no one to record it.

Basically its a ridiculous question!


31 posted on 12/17/2018 6:56:27 AM PST by Reily
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To: outpostinmass2
You're right - with the right incentives things can be made better. My favorite example of socialist 'overthink' is George Orwell's "Down and Out in Paris and London" or some such title... anyhow he's horrified about restaurant workers working 12 and 14 hour days - essentially having zero life... Orwell's solution is to remake all of society. Orwell was a socialist at the time... Idiot liberal solutions. In fact the 'solution' was simple - tell employers they had to pay time and a half for time over 8 hours. The problem solved itself when the right incentives were put in place.

The same could happen here if people like Todd May put more thought into casual incentives and less thought into being totalitarian control freaks.

32 posted on 12/17/2018 6:59:43 AM PST by GOPJ (TERM LIMIT DC SWAMP BUREAUCRATS - a permanent un-elected ruling class is a threat to our freedom.)
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To: outpostinmass2
Would the extinction of elite liberals be a tragedy?

NO! Only a Blessing!

33 posted on 12/17/2018 6:59:54 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ('DEPLORABLE' Charter Member of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - and DAMN Proud of it!.)
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To: C19fan

Well....if you’re a human it might be a big deal.


34 posted on 12/17/2018 7:02:14 AM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE! However, Roman Catholicism has, does, and will change.)
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To: C19fan

NYT’s last report will be that HELL is ‘proof of man-made global warming’......


35 posted on 12/17/2018 7:06:08 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: C19fan

I predict that the New York Times will become extinct long before the human race does.


36 posted on 12/17/2018 7:08:15 AM PST by Clioman
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To: C19fan

It would be a tragedy. Humans are an integral part of the natural world, but they haven’t learned not to trash their surroundings.

But it would be a cause for celebration if the nyt went extinct.


37 posted on 12/17/2018 7:12:29 AM PST by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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To: GOPJ

I think it is more fundamental than that. Fear of something like nuclear winter may be extreme, but it is still fear. You still want to live. In contrast, the extinction fantasy crowd think the world would be better off without people. Not sure they want to live. For them, it’s about self loathing.


38 posted on 12/17/2018 7:16:36 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: C19fan

What is wrong with these people?


39 posted on 12/17/2018 7:24:59 AM PST by EdnaMode
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To: C19fan

For humans.


40 posted on 12/17/2018 7:27:16 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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