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'Sub-Saturns' May Force Scientists to Revise Idea of How Planets Form
Space.com ^ | January 12, 2019 08:43am ET | Meghan Bartels,

Posted on 01/12/2019 3:21:15 PM PST by BenLurkin

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1 posted on 01/12/2019 3:21:15 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Astronomers know our solar system better than any other, but they’re still learning new ways in which it doesn’t seem to be particularly normal.


What! I thought ALL science was settled. We are not to question anything. /s


2 posted on 01/12/2019 3:25:09 PM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping*


3 posted on 01/12/2019 3:29:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: BenLurkin

The core accretion model explains that gap with a mechanism called “runaway gas accretion.”

...

So this is bad news for the “runaway gas accretion” model. Other models are still in the running.


4 posted on 01/12/2019 3:29:44 PM PST by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: BenLurkin

If we allow sub-Saturns, then the semi-Saturns will be all “what about us?”

Then we’ll start hearing it from the demi-Saturns... I mean, it’ll never end!

It’s best to just not let it get started.

One Saturn has been plenty ‘nuff this long. It’ll just have to keep being enough.


5 posted on 01/12/2019 3:33:13 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: BenLurkin

We used to have one in between sized. It’s a pile of orbiting rubble now.


6 posted on 01/12/2019 3:53:16 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: BenLurkin

jupiter has wandered, with mars and other moons
having surfaces heralding massive impacts.
perhaps from the missing sub-saturns?


7 posted on 01/12/2019 3:57:16 PM PST by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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To: Grimmy
If we allow sub-Saturns, then the semi-Saturns will be all “what about us?”

Then Pluto will want be a planet again. It would be chaos.

8 posted on 01/12/2019 4:10:07 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: BenLurkin

I purchased and still enjoy the “Great Courses” lecture series “The Origin and Evolution of Earth” led by Dr. Robert Hazen Ph.D. on the origin of our Solar System and Earth (2013). Now, here, it is a mere 6 years later and some of what he voiced so confidently has been made rather dicey in the current exoplanet discoveries. The item I find most in discrepancy from his 2013 lectures is his then-current accepted science description of how the early Solar System had the strengthening Sun sweep the lighter elements from the inner planets while allowing the Ice Giants (Jupiter to Neptune) to retain their Hydrogen & Helium atmospheres.

Now the exoplanets surveys have found ‘Jovian’ (Jupiter cousins) planets nestled close to their suns/stars while acceptable papers have been presented at AAAS and other prestigious conferences to talk about a ‘wandering Jupiter’ coming in close to Sol before moving back out to its current position with the effect of elimination ‘Super Earths’ of double size in the same orbit.

I am willing to accept that I may be wrong in the future BUT the “Rare Earth” hypothesis seems to me to be ever more pertinent as we discover more of our universe.

Jeeze, just when you thought the science was settled!


9 posted on 01/12/2019 4:25:31 PM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: BenLurkin

Easy answer. They stopped producing “Saturn” cars many years ago. Ergo, no more Saturns out there anymore.


10 posted on 01/12/2019 4:42:03 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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11 posted on 01/12/2019 4:45:32 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I thought ALL science was settled.


Wouldn’t be any point in doing science if everything was known. This would please Luddites who enjoy the civilizational benefits derived from the scientific method while denouncing it from the cheap seats.


12 posted on 01/12/2019 5:23:52 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Grimmy

Would an asteroid be a semi-hemi-demi-Saturn?


13 posted on 01/12/2019 5:25:38 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And don’t piss off Mars. Jeez, we’ve had enough of those bloody Martians. Coming down here and laying waste to the planet and all that.


14 posted on 01/12/2019 5:32:00 PM PST by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: BenLurkin

Who cares?


15 posted on 01/12/2019 5:33:40 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

Well spoken.

Certain to leave an impression for those who read it.


16 posted on 01/12/2019 5:51:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Certain to leave an impression for those who read it.

I'm sorry. Read what?

17 posted on 01/12/2019 6:13:37 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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The total mass of the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter equates to about 4% of Earth’s moon. The four largest objects, Ceres, 4 Vesta, 2 Pallas, and 10 Hygiea, account for half of the belt’s total mass, with almost one-third accounted for by Ceres alone.


18 posted on 01/12/2019 6:18:02 PM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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Thanks fieldmarshaldj.
 
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19 posted on 01/12/2019 11:09:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: BenLurkin

Astronomers know our solar system better than any other, but they’re still learning new ways in which it doesn’t seem to be particularly normal.


Consensus thinking or how to fit the fact into the theory ...


20 posted on 01/13/2019 3:35:24 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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