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What you need to know about a popular weed killer’s alleged link to cancer
PBS ^ | Apr 8, 2019 9:00 AM EDT | Kaiser Health News

Posted on 04/08/2019 7:48:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: ConsCA
Hell I couldn't even get fat eating fast food. 8>)

Took my wife's cooking and several years of aging to do that, not that I am obese but I am probably a little heavier than I should be. But the strong winds no longer rule me either. 9>)

41 posted on 04/08/2019 9:01:00 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: jjotto

That is what the article says. I didn’t say I believe it.


42 posted on 04/08/2019 9:07:28 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: BenLurkin

A good solid concrete pad is my favorite weed killer.


43 posted on 04/08/2019 9:13:49 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: dynachrome
2-4-D worked much better and was tastier!

I don't think 2-4-D and Roundup are similar enough to be compared. IIRC 2-4-D only affects broad-leaf weeds and has no effect on grass, while Roundup kills almost everything green, including lawn grasses.

44 posted on 04/08/2019 9:38:08 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: Robert DeLong

What’s new is how much and how. It didn’t used to be used directly on food then Monsanto started genetically engineering food crops to withstand it. So now it’s in far more of our food than ever before. I’m not saying the alarmists are right, but it’s a legitimate issue to be looked at, not all lies.


45 posted on 04/08/2019 9:41:09 PM PDT by Hugin ("Not one step from his weapons should a traveler take"...Havamal 38)
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To: catnipman

I caught that too. The writer was wrong.


46 posted on 04/08/2019 9:48:19 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberalism: intolerance masquerading as tolerance)
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To: Hugin
It has been looked at, and only one claims it is carcinogenic. Only the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) the proclaimed specialized cancer agency of the World Health Organization has stated that it is probably carcinogenic. Even the EU assessment did not identify a carcinogenicity hazard. Do some research of the researches conducted thus far.

Without GM (genetic modification) more of the world would starve and many would be malnourished.

An estimated 50 million people died from malaria when they banned DDT, and they used lies to ban DDT. Same process in effect here.

I'm all for study, as long as it is an honest study, and not an emotional study riddled with lies to win the argument.

But is it better that a small number may be adversely affected while millions more get the food they need, or do we make millions suffer from starvation and malnutrition to save the smaller numbers who may be adversely affected?

While that may turn some people off, it's a decision we must make. I will go for the few being adversely affected, even if I number in those who are.

Like man made global warming this is just another attempt to control the masses. In this case they want to thin the population. So attack those who would be most vulnerable by the banning of pesticides that may or may not be safe for humans. That point, safety, is irrelevant to them and their true agenda.

47 posted on 04/08/2019 10:25:05 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: piasa

Maybe not. They have to follow strict safety/handling regs every day while Pedro just sloshes it around the back of his pickup on the way to his next gig.


48 posted on 04/08/2019 11:16:38 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Be strong & prosper, be weak & die! Stay true.... ~~ Donald J. Trump)
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To: gundog

Round-Up Ready dandelions. What could go wrong?


49 posted on 04/08/2019 11:16:45 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Be strong & prosper, be weak & die! Stay true.... ~~ Donald J. Trump)
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To: Hugin

..and its been linked to colony collapse disorder (CCD) in honey bees.


50 posted on 04/08/2019 11:19:02 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Be strong & prosper, be weak & die! Stay true.... ~~ Donald J. Trump)
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To: BenLurkin
My youth.....banning DDT is arguably biggest killer in history of the world

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51 posted on 04/08/2019 11:27:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (When only the best Santa will do...call Joe Biden)
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To: Robert DeLong

Not necessarily. The molecule is a Glycolysis blocker, in a way which many cancers exhibit. Sugar can be broken down partly into building blocks, or fully into energy. It is supposed to go you use it for energy first, and anything left over gets put into growth. Usually the idea is you break it down into energy until the organism is saturated in energy to do work, then the breakdown slows, and building blocks accumulate so cells can proliferate and the organism shifts from survival to growth.

It is one of the reasons a lot of people say, go on a sugar-free diet if you have cancer, because it has been observed a lot of cancer cells exhibited a deranged process which produces a lot of building blocks, and not a lot of energy. You won’t get those building blocks glycolysis produces because there will be no sugar to make them on a sugar-free diet.

Glyphosate mucks up a step of that glycolysis, which causes building blocks to accumulate, and sets in motion one of the factors observed in some cancers.

Now it doesn’t create cancer, but cancer is the process of winning several lotteries, many of which the odds increase if you have won others. So get exposed to glyphosate, and it is possible you have completed one step of getting to cancer, and the increased number of building blocks may cause you to “buy” more lottery tickets, increasing your chance of winning a cancer diagnosis.

I think it probably does something, because exposure correlates with lymphomas, IIRC, but it isn’t a case of it gives it to you or it doesn’t. It just increases the chances. Of course when it is being fed to everyone in everything from cereals to beer, it has the potential to create a lot of cancers.


52 posted on 04/08/2019 11:30:58 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: BenLurkin
Last week, a federal jury ordered Monsanto, the maker of Roundup, to pay $80 million to a 70-year-old man with cancer who had used it for three decades on his 56 acres in Sonoma County, Calif. The jury found that Roundup was a “substantial factor” in his illness.

I wonder if the jury was aloud to consider the fact that the older a person is the more likely they are to have cancer.

A simple statistical fact. If you live long enough, you will have cancer.

In his seventy years I am sure that the man had been exposed to a huge number of carcinogens. Saying that one or another was a “substantial factor” in his illness is impossible.

I would never be chosen to be on such a jury. I am too rational.

53 posted on 04/08/2019 11:39:34 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: dynachrome

2-4-D (mechamine) kills everything except grass. Use 1-2 oz per gal on grass to kill weeds - do not use when weather hot and dry.

Roundup kills everything including grass.

They can be mixed in the spray tank.


54 posted on 04/09/2019 1:30:40 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: centurion316

The World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer has called glyphosate a “probable human carcinogen,”


Their choices were Yes or No. No in between or other choice


55 posted on 04/09/2019 1:31:58 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Usual junk science. It pays no attention to the critical variable which is dosage. An axiom of toxicology is that dosage determines toxicity. Minute doses of Round Up such as would be encountered by the average user would be harmless.

Citing research showing it to be in 93% of subjects, without mentioning levels, Is worse than junk science. it is deliberate agenda-driven demogoguery.


7 people tried to commit suicide by drinking the commercial concentrate - (43%). One died and the others got bad stomach aches


56 posted on 04/09/2019 1:34:37 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BipolarBob

It only causes cancer in the court room.


57 posted on 04/09/2019 1:35:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: tired&retired

Chlordane was the best - and is now banned. 2-4 D is widely available


58 posted on 04/09/2019 1:37:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: going hot

Ignorance is Bliss. Russell Bliss.


59 posted on 04/09/2019 4:07:54 AM PDT by MarMema (breeding tauntauns in northern Michigan - soon to be for sale!)
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To: PIF

I had my commercial herbicide/pesticide license for years. I had no need for it anymore so I left it expire. Forgot much of it.

I’ll never forget using atrazine to kill the grass along the driveway and it rained, killing a much wider area than I expected.

Or finding out that crappie bass were highly allergic to copper sulfate and they all went through the overflow pipe to escape it.

School of hard knocks learning.


60 posted on 04/09/2019 4:33:29 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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