Posted on 10/08/2019 9:52:45 AM PDT by OddLane
I introduce Surah XXX, and explain the historical context of Arab attacks and conquests of the Byzantine Empire.
Islam = enemy of civilization
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With all the average day has for me to do, it’s increasingly difficult to set aside an hour to listen to someone pack 3 minutes of real content into 60 minutes of talk...Lots of Youtubers in love with their own voices...
Sometimes the presenter has something valuable to say and it’s worth the time...More often, not so much...Hard to know up front...Most often anymore, I just pass...
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Transcript 0:04 · okay and we're live and today I just wanted to start Sura 30 which is 0:14 · entitled the Romans and this is one of the more notable sirs in the Koran 0:19 · because it contains an actual prediction of Muhammad who was as we know a 0:27 · self-declared prophet like Joseph Smith 0:33 · and L&G white and other false prophets throughout history Muhammad declared 0:40 · himself a prophet he wasn't as the Bible mandates a someone whose prophethood was 0:48 · given him by God as all the prophets in previous ages were but the this sir 0:57 · contains an actual prediction albeit a very vague and ambiguous and easily 1:04 · fungible prediction so it's often invoked when Muslims want to point to 1:11 · something to demonstrate that Muhammad wasn't a false prophet even though as 1:16 · I'll explain it really it really isn't evidence of any sort that Muhammad 1:26 · prophesied when you actually when you actually examine it critically but I'll begin with a little bit of a historical 1:32 · a little bit of historical background in to end and when the setting of of this 1:43 · surah at the time that Muhammad came about and he started to go around 1:52 · priscila ties and and trying to gather 1:57 · people to him in the name of Islam even though Islam itself wasn't a coherent 2:04 · ideology at the time it wasn't called that the Roman Empire 2:11 · was in a very parlous state there were 2:19 · two very long lasting dynasties called the Justinian dynasty and the Heraklion 2:28 · dynasty and these were two very very 2:34 · explore lasting dynasties that began with great promise and in some respects 2:41 · were the high-water mark of the Roman 2:47 · Empire after this sack of Rome and and 2:52 · after the division of the Empire but between the East and the West and what 2:59 · we now know is the Byzantine Empire was established and there's a great book 3:05 · written by laws brown words and I'll be reading from it shortly an excerpt 3:11 · entitled loss to the west you can see here he's also he also has a podcast 3:19 · which I believe I'm not sure I think it's called 12 Roman emperors which 3:27 · describes the Byzantine Empire and this is a very short approximately 300 page book it describes the entire nothing 3:36 · well it doesn't describe so much it uh it it goes over the history of the 3:43 · Byzantine Empire which lasted for which 3:51 · lasted for about a mutton millennium it was but he's able to condense all of 3:58 · this history into about 300 pages focusing on the major major points 4:04 · historical turning points and personalities of the Byzantine Empire 4:10 · which really was a remarkable remarkable Empire it was if we think of it this way 4:16 · was an extension of the Roman Empire back then they weren't known as the 4:23 · Byzantine Empire they were known as Roman soap what this Sura is entitled 4:29 · the Romans these these people were simply known as as an extension of the 4:34 · Roman Empire after the sack of Rome the 4:40 · the the Western Roman Empire are sort of 4:45 · receded but even pride for that when the capital was moved to - what's what was 4:53 · known as Constantinople into the early 20th century named after of course the 5:00 · Emperor Constantine the men who decided to first make Christianity legal and 5:07 · then eventually Christianity was turned into the official state religion and 5:14 · there's a lot of interesting dynamics that go into the transition from 5:22 · Christianity from a from a despised 5:30 · occasionally very harshly persecuted minority sect into the official religion 5:39 · of the Roman Empire which I'm not going to get into into this video but suffice 5:44 · it to say this marked a huge transition for Christianity as as a as a global 5:52 · religion once it became official officially legalized and then became 6:00 · mandated as the official state religion of the Roman Empire and there's some 6:07 · interesting details in the book and in this book loss to the west about the 6:13 · conflicts that arose between Christianity as as the as the official 6:20 · church and between the political ambitions and demands of the Roman 6:27 · Empire the conflict between the Roman Empire Emperor and the Pope 6:33 · who was recognized as the as the clerical authority conflict between him 6:42 · and the civil authority of Rome although there wasn't a separation between church and state as we know today but this book 6:51 · is interesting because it does describe the the growth of his early growth of 6:59 · Islam in the Arabian Peninsula and how it challenged the Roman Empire the the 7:05 · empires the dynasties I mentioned the Justinian dynasty and the Heraklion 7:11 · dynasty as I said were marked by incredible growth technological 7:18 · flourishing and and a a renaissance of 7:24 · sorts after after the sack of Rome and the division between the East and the 7:30 · West Justinian dines dynasty managed at a certain time to actually reflect to 7:37 · unite to unite the two halves again but of course it ended in it ended in a 7:46 · tragedy from from the point of view of of the Romans for for several reasons 7:54 · one of them of course being being being the plague and this is this is 8:03 · chronicled in a great book called Justinian's FLE which another book I 8:08 · would recommend reading which describes the effect the plague had on the Romanum on the empire at the time and how it 8:18 · it essentially reversed the the gains 8:25 · that that had been made up to that point that and also the conflict between 8:32 · Justinian and his best military advisor 8:37 · his best general belli Asaka most arias 8:42 · who was who and is considered one of the greatest Roman 8:48 · Roman generals in history up there with Skippy Oh with Caesar with some of the 8:54 · other acclaimed Roman generals he he 9:01 · wasn't defeated so much by his opponents and he was his victories were he was 9:10 · able to essentially snatch victory from the jaws of the defeat particularly when 9:16 · when retaking the Italian peninsula 9:21 · retaking north North Africa he was a hugely successful general and 9:28 · esteemed very highly by his soldiers but conflict with the Emperor himself and 9:36 · his wife forced him to mitigated the 9:45 · success otherwise that he would have had plus as I said the the plague that 9:51 · destroyed and and destroyed entire swathes of Roman and and and Western 10:00 · civilization at the time so you had 10:06 · likewise after that you had the Hera clean dynasty which for a brief period 10:13 · under her Atlas was resurgent was was 10:20 · repelling the enemies the the enemies of the Roman Empire and succeeding having 10:28 · unparalleled successes but that too ended in disappointment and failure and 10:33 · it set the stage for the beginning of what what what would be known as the 10:40 · caliphate and the islamic empire conquests out of the Arabian Peninsula from a ban of Arab nomads led by the 10:50 · successors to Muhammad and these two dynasties bookmarked a very brief tenure 10:58 · interregnum by the Emperor focus he was a thoracic 11:04 · Thracian usurper of the throne he killed 11:09 · the he killed the Emperor and inherited his empire and he's universally regarded 11:18 · as one of the worst Roman empires there's some people who dispute that 11:25 · dispute that assertion but for the most part he's looked at as not only a 11:32 · usurper but a very very maladapted ministry and basically just so that 11:41 · someone who sin which is these two bookends of long long lasting dynasties 11:48 · that had had immense victories and 11:53 · flourishing of a Roman the Roman Empire but both of which eventually have been 12:02 · he declined and set the stage for for 12:09 · bad things but you can see the demise of Periclean dynasty which set the stage 12:16 · for the Islamic invasion and Islamic colonias colonialism seeping in and 12:25 · taking over North Africa taking over the church and basically setting itself up 12:38 · as the main antagonist for Western civilization for Europe for the next 12:45 · seven for the next millennia millennium 12:51 · basically and some people there are 12:56 · different views on this in this book loss to the West the author pushes back 13:02 · to a certain extent on the negative assessments of 13:07 · reckless and tries to hello loving like 13:12 · Clayton um he pushes back on this idea 13:18 · that correctly is the weakness of that 13:26 · his weakness set the stage for the Muslim invasion and the Muslim conquest 13:33 · and points out that the the victories 13:39 · that he amassed mitigated the damage that would have otherwise been been 13:44 · inflicted that that Muhammad's successors and the Muslim Arab Empire 13:51 · would have been posed much more of a threat to the heart of Europe particularly Rome itself much earlier if 14:01 · if it were not for her Elias and he also 14:07 · points out that in with in a concession to to these critics they are correct 14:12 · that if Rome had had a stronger Emperor at the time at the very end of the 14:20 · correctly in Dynasty then they would have been able to fortify the the the 14:28 · distant possessions of this part of the 14:33 · this part of the Byzantine Empire that they would have been able to withstand 14:38 · some of the early attacks by Muslim Arab armies just because of the it would have 14:45 · been better organized and and just because of the the strength in numbers and as as GW points out in the chat the 14:57 · the persians and the romans had been fighting each other endlessly this the the advent of Islam 15:04 · and and the fact that they were able to establish an early beached beachhead in 15:09 · Asia and in order to learn 15:15 · attacks that that was they were able to do that in large measure because the 15:22 · sasanian empire the persians were on their last on their last legs they were 15:28 · about to collapse at that very moment and the room the the Byzantine Emperor 15:35 · Roman Empire was concerned with the Persians and had been for years 15:41 · containing them for sake for containing their ambitions trying to and directly 15:50 · in dynasty of course sort of put sort of 15:58 · put them in terms of decline and the Muslims of course finished off the Persian Empire because they were on they 16:06 · were about to about to go into the dustbin of history but the Roman Persian 16:14 · conflict was so subsumed everything else that that did they they weren't able to 16:23 · focus on this emerging threat from the desert from from Arabia so they couldn't 16:32 · defend their their possessions in the Levant and and leading up to 16:39 · Constantinople but as the author points out the treatments of miraculous did 16:47 · mitigate the damage so that the Muslim Muslim Arab armies were able to to take 16:54 · over North Africa take over a large part of the Middle East but didn't pose a 17:00 · threat to the to the heart of Europe for another century women so even so they 17:08 · did underestimate the threat posed by by 17:15 · Islam at this early stage and there's a great introduction in chapter 12 of this 17:22 · book entitled the house of war of course Islam describes any non Islamic 17:28 · any any part of the words that have been subjugated by Islam as dar al-harb the 17:33 · house of war and it's it's legal from an Islamic perspective to wage war and 17:41 · attack these nations and this is why you have terrorist attacks in Western 17:47 · nations in Western Europe and in North America and in other countries that 17:52 · haven't become fully submitted to Islamic law and and the Trat points out 18:01 · directly is also officially replaced latin with greek as the language of administration in the Byzantine Empire 18:07 · and this is another this isn't the side but one of the even as disastrous as the 18:16 · fall of Constantinople was one of the one of the things it did do was disperse 18:22 · the dispersed all of these Greek speakers into Europe and and help people 18:31 · help people there get a an understanding 18:38 · of the original language of the New Testament so the New Testament was written in in 18:44 · Koine Greek and you in the rest of 18:51 · Europe you you didn't have people who understood this language so their 18:56 · understanding of Scripture was very limited so but after the fall of the 19:04 · constant of of Constantinople in the late 15th century you had all of these 19:12 · Greek speakers who are able to interpret 19:17 · and and and translate the original text of the New Testament of the Gospels and 19:23 · this of course facilitated this this 19:29 · happened at the same time did the Reformation was under way so that one of 19:35 · the one of the things that the the fall of the Eastern 19:41 · and pyar did it actually did did increase knowledge in the rest of europe 19:50 · particularly with regard to an understanding of the original text of the bible the original manuscripts and 19:58 · the language it was written in because these people did speak Greek and Greek became the official official language of 20:05 · the Byzantine Empire excuse me and love 20:18 · and light says I like Greek better than Latin I never I never actually studied 20:23 · ancient Greek I did study Latin for two years and I I actually do like Latin I I 20:30 · thought it was a fun language to the to learn to the extent that I did learn it 20:36 · but it was gradually it was actually replaced in in the Byzantine Empire as 20:44 · mentioned earlier and I'm just gonna read a little bit from this book the the 20:50 · the the Taito is entitled the the chapters entitled the house of war and 20:57 · there's an epigraph here with the sword I will wash my shame away and this is by 21:03 · a boot mmm ninth century Arab poet and this is a great description of of the 21:11 · Muslim mentality the it's a very same based it's a very honor based culture 21:19 · and there's Nabeel Qureshi wrote a book 21:26 · where he and part of it he explains the difference between honor and shame based 21:33 · cultures and also in his his autobiography he describes an incident 21:38 · involving one of his friends who was a thief and was it wasn't regarded as a 21:44 · bad thing by his community until he was exposed and publicly exposed as a thief 21:50 · and then he was shunned and he goes into he goes out to explain how this dynamic in Islamic cultures 21:59 · which is focused so much on an honor and preserving your honor not so much 22:06 · because of an underlying system of ethics so much as a fear that you'll be 22:14 · exposed and shamed and this is why you have honor killings on earth why on 22:19 · earth tones are so prevalent in the Islamic world but this is a great this 22:25 · is a great epic at epigraph with the with the short I will wash my shame away and this was the mentality of early 22:31 · Islamic warriors and one of the reasons they they attacked they had so many they 22:39 · had such an ambition to take over so much of the world and I'll just read a little bit of this the hot desert wastes 22:46 · of the Arabian Peninsula seemed neither particularly inviting or threatening to the Byzantines and there seemed no 22:51 · reason to suspect that they would populated by squabbling nomadic tribes the region hardly seemed likely to pose 22:59 · a serious threat to anyone much less the huge Byzantine state in 622 however the 23:06 · deserts were beginning to stir with a new energy as a man named Muhammad fled from Mecca to Medina and began hammering 23:12 · together the tribes of the interior infusing his followers with a burning zeal Muhammad divided the world between 23:19 · dar al-islam the house of islam and dar al-harb the house of war their duty was 23:26 · a holy jihad to expand the house of Islam at the point of a sword within 23:31 · five years the Muslim armies were unleashed and they exploded out of the desert with frightening speed the timing 23:38 · of the invasion could hardly have been better hungry for conquest the Arab armies arrived to find both great 23:43 · empires of the region exhausted and near collapse the crippled Persians could put 23:48 · up little resistance their king yah staggered the third appeared to both 23:54 · the Byzantines and the Chinese for help but neither could offer any real assistance and his fall was swift within 24:01 · a year his tired armies were defeated and he spent the next decade fleeing from one look to another until a local peasant killed 24:09 · him for his purse Muhammad died in 632 of a fever but nothing seemed able to 24:14 · slake his Army's desire for a land not even Persia pausing to digest the Persian Empire by 24:21 · 6:33 that crossed the deserted Byzantine frontier and there they found a land 24:26 · ripe for the picking Constantinople had never really been able to step out the 24:31 · monophysitism heresy distracted as it was by the war with Persia and when the 24:38 · Muslims arrived they found the local populations eager to welcome them in for the oppressed mono physics Islam with 24:46 · its strict monotheism was perfectly understandable in the Arabs were at least Semites like themselves better to 24:52 · be rude by their Arab cousins than the distant heretical Emperor's in Constantinople especially since it was 24:58 · always easier to despise a heresy than a different face putting up only token resistance they watched as the Muslim 25:04 · army poured into Syria sacked Damascus and besieged Jerusalem and this is a 25:11 · this is a good point someone in the chat points out Dorian's use the death of yes 25:18 · to guard the third and 6:51 as the base year for that calendar this is a good point and and this is a is an 25:27 · interesting interesting sidenote the mono physics this is just the this 25:37 · is something that people should consider when they when they think of Islam as 25:42 · one Muslims think of it as a revelation from God because that's what they've 25:48 · been told to think but in reality it was 25:53 · an accretion of different of different 26:01 · teachings and and religious ideas and concepts that gradually coagulated into 26:11 · one thing so in this passage he's describing the mono physics heretical 26:18 · teaching within early church and people should remember that the early church even though now 26:26 · there are there are all sorts of denominations 26:31 · and even heresies people who purport to 26:36 · be Christian who who believe in some very bizarre doctrines the early church 26:42 · was no different in in terms of in terms of radical thinking and schisms and Paul 26:50 · even warns even warns Timothy and the 26:56 · churches that he planted in in Greece and and elsewhere that there will Iraq 27:04 · the heresies were arrived hi Paul and that there be divisions and this was 27:13 · true in the early church there weren't there were there might not have been all 27:20 · these denominations but there was all sorts of heretical thinking things like 27:25 · Gnosticism in fact Paul Paul Paul says 27:31 · in one of his letters he refers to science all called so this is this is 27:37 · something that would've been known as gnosis that Gnostics were a heresy that crop cropped up very early in the church 27:47 · among people who questioned the true divinity of Christ and and and 27:54 · questioned the triune nature of God so 28:00 · you had Gnostics you also had the beat the mano physics and and other other 28:07 · other other schisms and and groups of 28:13 · people who would believe in heretical ideas questioning the nature of God 28:18 · whether whether God really does did have a triune nature whether there were were 28:26 · truly three persons within the Godhead 28:32 · groups that thought that that Christ was merely a man that he didn't question the 28:38 · the deity of Christ himself and this was something that predominated very early 28:45 · in the church yeah and another another 28:53 · issue was the was was circumcision and 28:58 · keeping to the Mosaic law and this is something the Paul addresses in in letters and in particularly in the 29:06 · Epistle to the Galatians and also the Epistle to the Hebrews people who were 29:12 · being swayed by false teachers particularly those it's referred to as 29:17 · those of the circumcision in other words what we're known as Judaizers people who 29:24 · wanted to keep new new believers who 29:29 · were Gentiles force them to observe Mosaic law or force Jewish Christians 29:36 · Jewish believers in Christ to come back to to come back to traditional Judaism 29:46 · of the type that the Pharisees practiced so this was a huge conflict that emerged 29:53 · in the early church and many Paul's letters address these specific issues so 30:01 · I just want to bring that up because it mentions the the mono physic heresy and this was also something that that 30:08 · embroid the early church and and and 30:21 · here I mentioned earlier that correctly is his even though the dynasty and 30:26 · poorly it could have been much worse so the author describes that situation in 30:33 · this passage but as poor as the Emperor empires fortunes were at her reckless his death without him they would have 30:39 · been immeasurably worse if he hadn't arrived to overthrow focus the Empire would have fallen 30:44 · right to the Persians and when the Islamic tide came rushing out of Arabia there would have been nothing to shield Europe from the flood 30:50 · instead by combining a touch of Justinian's mission with more than hint of Belisarius as generalship correctly 30:56 · said made constant no constantinople a bulwark against Islamic aggression 31:02 · diverting the Muslim advance into the long waste of North Africa and delaying 31:07 · its entrance into Europe now of course this is this is a matter of dispute 31:15 · because of course the early church some of the central parts of the early church 31:21 · were located in of course it wasn't Rome 31:27 · so much as Antioch and and and 31:35 · Alexandria and and and and and this little little part of the Empire so 31:44 · there was a lot lost by by the fact that 31:49 · the Muslims were able to sweep in unimpeded against large large sections 31:56 · of the Byzantine Empire but it isn't worth noting that he does have a point that this the fact that correctly has 32:04 · had bolstered the empire and rejuvenated it did prevent the Islamic armies from 32:12 · moving in to the what we would consider the heart of Europe for Ali for nearly a 32:22 · century just like just like the Crusades even though they were a very delay 32:27 · defensive measure the Crusades the 32:33 · Crusades did manage to give Europe a respite for for for close to two 32:43 · centuries where Islam had been aggressing and conquering Europe but the 32:48 · Crusades diverted the Crusades diverted their intentions and their energies and 32:55 · their military manpower in - trying to recapture Jerusalem and - 33:04 · recaptured Jerusalem and and Israel 33:09 · Lebanon for a huge for a long time and 33:15 · allowed Europe itself to regroup from the onslaught of Islam so even though 33:22 · the Crusades again the Crusades are thought of as a failure in the sense 33:27 · that they established these communities that were just wiped away within two 33:32 · centuries but they they did succeed in 33:40 · delaying the Islamic empire and forcing 33:45 · them to to focus on this this area and 33:51 · not regroup and attack and drive even deeper into the heart of Europe and 34:03 · George Washington says I don't understand what I don't understand is how Islam doesn't tolerate apostasy yet 34:09 · the Atheist ow Maria my career how how 34:15 · Mari was never persecuted for his beliefs right living in the 10th and 11th centuries and this is true there 34:21 · were a lot of what would be considered today heretical Islamic particularly 34:28 · poets uh Arabia had a history of wine 34:33 · poetry and even a walk describes this in his book why I am NOT a Muslim all of 34:41 · these wine poets who would mock Islamic customs and and piety and some of them 34:47 · were persecuted some of them were forced to to flee but others were venerated and 34:54 · it is an interesting question there are a lot of things that uh that are 35:02 · interesting to look at particularly in the early years of Islam with before this Islam as a dogmatic 35:10 · religious ideology had cohered Muslims like would like you to believe that 35:17 · Islam sprouted from the head of Allah and Muhammad and this was just one 35:26 · continuous unchanging system of belief 35:32 · when in fact it really was like I said a coagulation of different ideas and that 35:38 · gradually evolved for example this idea of the eternality of the Quran was 35:45 · something that was considered heretical and the people who espoused that we're even persecuted by early caliphs because 35:54 · it it made attributes of the Quran on par with Allah and it conflicted with 36:03 · the concept of tawheed or becoming one what Muslims would say is oneness this 36:10 · idea of Allah being an absolutely Unitarian God the eternality of the 36:20 · current conflicted with that because it it considered attributes of the Quran as 36:28 · eternal and therefore it set up something along with along with Allah so 36:34 · people who espouse this were persecuted but eventually the eternality of the 36:42 · Quran B became a universally accepted idea in Islam even though it conflicted 36:49 · with another a Lama Chi diya the idea of tawheed or becoming one a unification 36:57 · oneness read the Quran so hard to read 37:02 · so many contradictions it's true and 37:11 · to go back to a point that was mentioned earlier in the chat just to continue 37:20 · that the this this point about reckless his I'll just read briefly from this his 37:27 · early years had seen one glorious victory after another and he had died after the author of crossroads the 37:32 · second with the Persian Empire defeated in the true cross restore to Jerusalem his subjects would have remembered him 37:38 · as one of the greatest emperors to sit on the Byzantine throne this is something to keep in mind his reign saw 37:44 · the great turning point for much of the Middle East for a thousand years these lands have been Hellenized ruled by a Roman Empire and first taken and then 37:50 · Christian they had contributed much to classical civilization providing some of the finest emperors theologians saints 37:56 · and poets of the classical world and this is something else to consider for example Agustin Agustin of Hippo he is 38:06 · one of the one of the thinkers did contributed a great deal to to the the 38:17 · soteriology to the to the to the thinking on soteriology and eschatology 38:23 · and just theology in general of the church both and protestants and roman 38:29 · catholics and and everyone in in the 38:35 · Christian Church regardless of the dominant denomination esteems Agustin 38:41 · rightly so for and you can read his his words and see how he contributed to the 38:48 · sinking of the church in books like the City of God which refutes the idea that 38:55 · pagans did Christianity is responsible for Rome beings being being sacked 39:03 · he he he goes into this in detail refuting this canard that Christians 39:09 · were somehow responsible for this and in fact you could argue to us this is an 39:15 · aside but you could argue that the early that the Roman Empire at that time was 39:20 · very far from being a really a Christian Empire even though it had adopted 39:25 · Christianity as the official religion in the actual beliefs and practices particularly of the Roman emperors were 39:31 · very far from Christianity in fact in this book loss of the loss to the West 39:36 · The Forgotten Byzantine Empire that rescued Western civilization he describes the beliefs the early 39:44 · beliefs of the Roman Empire's most of them most of the very first ones were either Aryan or or quasi Aryan and 39:53 · they're in their beliefs they also believed in baptismal regeneration which 40:00 · is why you see a lot of Roman Empire Emperor's on their deathbed this was after the advent of Christianity 40:07 · Christianity being made the official religion they believe that in baptismal regeneration so a lot of the Roman 40:14 · emperors would only be baptized on their deathbed so agustin tacos that that misconception 40:26 · and also just another aside one of the 40:31 · sky locusts one of the one of the great 40:37 · generals who was tat who was given this impossible task of impossible task of 40:46 · maintaining maintaining control of Roman territory as as the invasions swept in 40:54 · from from from a Gaul and uh and uh and 41:10 · excuse me excuse me styler gets the general he was 41:17 · eventually he was he was persecuted by the Roman Senate which still retained 41:23 · even though even though pagan Roman beliefs had by that point declined 41:31 · greatly among the populace the Roman Roman Senate Senators still it held to 41:38 · these beliefs and they attacked him for his his seeming military defeats and got rid 41:47 · of him he was executed and the roman empire the western half a little minute and probably fell shortly thereafter but 41:55 · this was also a gradual process a very gradual process as i said that the seat 42:03 · of power had already been moved by that point to to constantinople that the new 42:10 · city of Byzantium and this was a very 42:16 · long process but as I said Augustine was was was one of the one of the most 42:23 · important theologians and and thinkers in the early church so this this 42:33 · description is very accurate how the the Eastern Empire contributed so much to 42:41 · early so much to Christianity and so much to civilization and continue to 42:48 · over the next over the next millennium 42:56 · so just to wrap up this since it's getting a bit long I'm just gonna be 43:03 · begin reading from the Romans and and and really delve into the sir in the 43:10 · next video but I'll start by but I'll start by reading the first verse the 43:19 · first couple of verses in the neh alif-lam-mim the Romans are vanquished in a near land 43:27 · and they after being vanquished shall overcome now this is used by Muslims in order to describe in order to say that 43:33 · Muhammad really was a true prophet and 43:41 · some in the chat says the Muslim conquest had a racial aspect as well as religious one and it's true Islam is a 43:48 · very fundamentally racist or religion it it's you have to be Arab to be a 43:57 · Muslim it's impossible and we know this goes against scripture because God is 44:02 · not God is not a respecter of persons he's not a racist he's not a racist God 44:11 · he can speak in any language and anything from Korean to Arabic to 44:18 · English to even sign language there's 44:23 · there there's a deaf ministry called Roman roads for the Deaf which reaches out to people who have no hearing and 44:32 · people who are people who are illiterate and God can can can communicate to 44:41 · anyone regardless of what language they speak or even if they don't speak even 44:47 · if they're mute so the Islamic idea of God of God or Allah who they understand 44:54 · to be God is very limited because in order to become a Muslim you have to become also an Arab which is why you you 45:03 · have people reciting long passages from the Quran in a language in which they don't understand and of course our 45:10 · Muslims had more rights than non non Arab Muslims non Arabs were converted to 45:17 · Islam but I just to go back to this 45:25 · point in a near land and they after being vanquished shall overcome' within a few years our laws the command before 45:31 · and after and on that day the believers shall rejoice with the help of Allah he 45:37 · upstone he helps whom he pleases and he is the mighty the merciful this is our last promise Allah when I fail as 45:43 · promised but most people do not know they know the outward of the words life but the Hereafter but of the hereafter 45:49 · they are absolutely Heelys and so this is this is what Muslims hang their heart 45:55 · on the fact that it says in the new land and they after being vanquished shall 46:00 · overcome and this is what happened initial forays into the Roman desert 46:07 · were unsuccess but eventually they would 46:16 · defeat they would defeat the Romans 46:21 · quote-unquote at the Battle of Yarmouk and this was the turning point which would shifted power in the in favor of 46:29 · the Muslims and a distracted very 46:35 · preoccupied Roman Empire which was preoccupied with conflict of course with 46:42 · the the dying Persian Empire but also 46:48 · more importantly at this point also conflict also the division itself within 46:57 · the Roman Empire between the East and the West and all sorts of other conflict 47:05 · with with with Slavs and a vars from the from the Balkans coming down and 47:12 · attacking so they did not have enough focus to to direct towards this very 47:21 · very seemingly miniscule band of nomadic warriors making war on them but that was 47:30 · ultimately the downfall of ultimately 47:36 · the the Byzantine Empire even though it took even though it took another another 47:44 · seven to eight hundred years and that that was ultimately that the downfall of 47:52 · the empire that they did not have the focus on four warring this threat and 47:57 · they did lose huge Trump's of land in Asia the Near East and North Africa just 48:05 · because they weren't focused so this description they after being vanquished shall 48:11 · overcome they succeeded and then they fell back and of course this is used by 48:19 · muscles as an indication by Muhammad was a prophet but Muhammad really wasn't a 48:25 · prophet hi inky when you think about because your this is a vague description 48:32 · of what will happen the Roman Empire will win then fall back then it hits it 48:39 · doesn't really make any sense when you look at it if this if this is a prediction it's not a very very powerful prediction 48:49 · in in the Bible when someone prophesized or when God foretells what's going to 48:56 · happen he says Cyrus will come into power in Persia and be the Liberator of 49:02 · Israel after it's been in captivity for for more than seven decades and they'll 49:09 · return from Persia to Israel fifty more 49:14 · than fifty thousand and then rebuild the temple and rebuild the walls and this is described in the books of Ezra and the 49:22 · book of Ezra and Nehemiah that's an actual prophecy because this was for 49:28 · toad centuries before specifically what would happen or when Jesus says the 49:34 · temple when when Jesus predicts the destruction of the temple and his own 49:39 · resurrection these are actual prophecies saying the Romans will lose then win 49:45 · then fit and this is not this is not a prophecy the Roman Empire had already 49:51 · been through many defeats and victories and and resurgence says and as I said 49:58 · the constant the Justinian and the erecting dynasties that was destroying 50:04 · these two dynasties immense victories even Justinian reunifying the two halves 50:10 · very but but eventually gradually 50:18 · decline and then in the case that you're spinning about disaster once once the the plague pestis once that hit 50:28 · of course it erased all of the all of the victories that Justinian and his 50:35 · general Belisarius had accomplished so this is not when you compare this to the 50:42 · prophecies of the Bible it really doesn't hold up so if this is the only prophecy 50:48 · it doesn't really were spent and we have to consider the fact that this might have been meant this prophecy might have 50:54 · been written long after the descriptions the the vague descriptions alluded to 51:00 · the events alluded to in this passage so it might not even be a prophecy it might 51:06 · be something that actually happen in that Mohamed Mohamud are the authors of this book are simply describing um yeah 51:18 · I thought that Rome had simply fell in the Surat was simply explaining that didactically yeah the Western Roman 51:26 · Empire had already Rome had already been sacked over a century and maybe like 70 51:35 · years I'm trying to work at the top timeline but Rome fell Rome was basically sacked in the fifth century 51:42 · and then Mohammed in the sixth century rather and then Mohammed in the seventh 51:49 · century came came about so this might be description of de fall of the Western 51:54 · Empire but but it could also be 52:01 · description of the setbacks that the Byzantines had in facing the Muslims but 52:08 · we have to consider the fact that more how I predicted that Rome would fall Rome in the sense of the Roman Empire 52:13 · but also the seat of Rome which would be Rome in Italy now where where the 52:22 · Vatican is and that's never happened even though Muslim raids did attack Rome 52:31 · Rome has never succumbed so in that sense must Muhammad's prediction 52:37 · were were false he was a false prophet because Rome is still standing did the 52:43 · Catholic Church the Roman Catholic Church where I'm where most be when they think of Rome they think of the Vatican 52:49 · or or the seat of the Roman Catholic Church ah that's still there and Italy itself 52:57 · is not even though um it's being attacked through Hitler through this 53:04 · great migration you could say that's undermining but it was never conquered 53:10 · in any sort of military tactical battle um 53:16 · the German Holy Roman Empire supplanted the old Roman Empire from Italy this is 53:23 · another good point the Holy Roman Empire which there's an old adage about or joke 53:31 · about that saying the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman or an empire but that was that was seen as the 53:39 · temporal successor and uh would ultimately there's another interesting 53:46 · story in their conflict with the Roman Catholic Church eventually even though 53:53 · their power was vested in the power of the Pope this is another story to go 54:00 · into but I just wanted to read that that brief passage to illustrate that 54:07 · Mohammed was not a true prophet he was a false prophet and this vague description 54:14 · of setbacks whether it refers to C fall over uh the sack of Rome which had 54:19 · happened over a century earlier or it refers to the vicissitudes of the 54:25 · conflict between Islam in the Byzantine Empire in either case it's not a real 54:31 · prophecy the Byzantines refer to themselves as Romans and Constantinople 54:36 · as a new room so Muslims could say the fall of Constantinople in 1453 was what the Quran was referring to Voltaire yeah 54:46 · that's a good point they could say that concept but that was not what of course 54:53 · you have to you have to go back to that time period and understand what was the 55:01 · thought of us Rome and now the bit what we know as the Byzantine Empire which wasn't known as the Byzantine Empire at 55:06 · the time that of course these people thought of themselves as Romans they 55:12 · still thought they were the legitimate heirs to the Roman Empire and to a large 55:18 · degree they were correct in the sense that the culture the religion the the 55:26 · art and everything had its seat in Constantinople and very shortly after 55:32 · the capital was moved from the capital was moved to the east the the Empire 55:42 · there became the the the cultural and 55:48 · political capital of of Rome of the rook 55:53 · the quote-unquote Roman Empire even though the western half of the Roman Empire still existed and I said and as I 56:01 · described earlier Justinian in particular try to unite and unify or 56:08 · reunify these two these two these two 56:13 · empires these two which had which had 56:21 · had grown increasingly separate and this was ultimately this ultimately led to 56:28 · the the downtown fall of the Byzantine Empire because and there's there's the 56:38 · Crusades are also described in in detail in this book and the conflict trying to 56:47 · try to marshal trying to marshal support 56:52 · within both halves in order to the 57:00 · eastern and the western western part of the church trying to unify these two two 57:06 · entities in in in unity against Islam to 57:12 · retake Jerusalem to retake the Holy Land this was a huge conflict and of course 57:18 · during the Fourth Crusade it resulted in huge massacres by the Crusaders within 57:29 · the eastern eastern half and the eventual sack of of the capital 57:37 · Constantinople and the brief replacement of them with a Crusader state and this 57:45 · left left indelible marks on the 57:51 · Byzantines and led to resentment and and distrust of of the the Western the 58:03 · Western Church which it should be noted 58:08 · the the Pope at the time and and there 58:14 · were more forces that were very cognizant of this fact that that this would destroy destroy their their 58:24 · connection to the east which had been gradually attenuating the Great Schism of course happened in the 11th century 58:31 · but this was something that had been developing for for a very long time but 58:38 · again that's that's another story I just wanted to start this Sura and and 58:44 · address the underlying historical conditions that that gave rise to this give it some background in context and 58:51 · in the next video I'll be going more deeply into the sura itself which is 58:57 · relatively brief it's only about four pages I've already gone over the first 59:02 · passage which which which is from which the the title comes 59:09 · but I'll be going into more detail the rest of the Sura uh thanks for everyone 59:15 · that joined me like I said in other videos if you like this video feel free to share it particularly with your 59:24 · Muslim friends this video was more historical and background rather than an 59:30 · exegesis of this specific Sura but maybe it was written during the era 59:37 · of Umar after Byzantine was overrun by Arabs that's another possibility again the Quran is not really this 59:44 · cohesive document and there are a lot of discrepancies that Muslims don't like to 59:50 · address I like I like history too my father was a history major and it's a 59:58 · very interesting subject and I will see all of you later
The Koran/Sura XXX — The Greeks
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