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I know one counter to my Vanity Question is: but the impeachment hoax started well before the Peace and Prosperity became evident.

My suggested answer to that objection is this:

Maybe the serial impeachment hoax started out as kind of a stupid move but -- as Peace and Prosperity kicked in -- became the most effective weapon in their arsenal, and though it might have started out as a stupid move, its later development became a Good Move, maybe even a Great Move.

Also, I submit that it is very possible that at least some democrats had very early inklings that Trump was going to be very successful, that they believed and hated Trump's campaign promises, and that they crafted this evil plan with the partial advance understanding that this was THE ONLY WAY TO BEAT TRUMP.

1 posted on 12/16/2019 5:51:15 AM PST by samtheman
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My belief is that Wikileaks, Snowden, and bloggers did a lot of damage to Deep State and that the Dems and RINO’s are throwing hail Mary’s to try and get the genie back in the bottle and cover up their corruption.

Trump’s impeachment is a distraction from news of corruption. Whenever something unavoidably is getting released, the Democrats rattle the impeachment rattle to hide the noise.


2 posted on 12/16/2019 5:55:46 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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or this is just a feint to hide the massive voter fraud coming down the pike...


3 posted on 12/16/2019 5:56:26 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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I am pretty sure it is a cover for their massive cheating in 2020 that will make 2016 appear tame.


4 posted on 12/16/2019 5:56:38 AM PST by Ingtar (Bedbugs, thy name is Democrat.)
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First of all, the impeachment attempt began on January 20, 2017, the moment Trump took the oath of office. It's been a snowball rolling downhill, and Pelosi tried to stop it for a while, but couldn't hold it off any longer. There is no broad, brilliant strategy. Secondly, the whole effort is powered by blind hatred of Trump and his supporters. That makes reasonable and thoughtful planning impossible.

They really are driving themselves off a cliff, and they don't know how to stop it. I say we get out of their way, or maybe give them a little shove on the way down.

5 posted on 12/16/2019 5:56:59 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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My suspicion is their behavior is not motivated by strength but rather desperation.


6 posted on 12/16/2019 5:57:42 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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Evil is cunning and manipulative, which does not necessarily equate to wisdom. Evil is opportunistic, much like coyotes and crows who take advantage of any opportunity or weakness. The Left is evil. Evil cannot help itself but to do the wrong thing, because there is no good in evil.


10 posted on 12/16/2019 6:04:09 AM PST by semaj (We are the People)
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I’ve had the same thoughts for the last couple weeks because I cannot figure out why the democrats are so hellbent on this when they should know there is no chance of the senate voting to remove.

So I did a thought experiment, what evidence could convince me that Trump did abuse his power by withholding aid to the Ukraine to force them to start an investigation into the son of his primary opponent in the 2020 election.

The only evidence that would convince me of this, and therefore support impeachment and removal, is an audio or video recording of Trump saying something along the lines of;” I’m withholding aid from the Ukraine until Zelensky starts an investigation on Hunter Biden to help me defeat his dad in the 2020 election.”

What do I think the chances are that he said anything like that? Less than 1%. (I won’t rule it out entirely because anything’s possible.). Without that kind of evidence the support for removal stays under 60% and with less than 60% approval there is no way they get a two thirds majority to vote for removal in the senate.


11 posted on 12/16/2019 6:04:39 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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Voter fraud works best in Democrat held areas and in LOCAL ELECTIONS!

Voter fraud on the national elections would would if the ELECTORAL VOTES are close, but will they be close in 2020?

Personally I don’t think so.

Voter fraud in California and New York would not change the results.


12 posted on 12/16/2019 6:05:30 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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BTW, in my tortured analogy to Hitler, I left out Hitler’s biggest mistake: Declaring War on the United States, without the slightest reason for doing so, in a fit of thoughtlessness and contempt.


13 posted on 12/16/2019 6:05:49 AM PST by samtheman (U.S. out of the U.N. --- U.N. out of the U.S.)
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No. This is one of the GOP problems for the last 10 years: we think the DemoKKKrats are incredibly brilliant tacticians who have these marvelous strategies.

No. Botoxic stumbled into this impeachment-—even though it was her goal for two years-—probably briefly boosted by the big DemoKKKrat majority she got in 2018. She has NEVER figured out how to appease the whackadoodle left and still keep the red seats they won from flipping back.

Three months ago I said I didn’t think the Rs could take back the House. I am slowly changing my mind. I now thing it’s about 50/50 and that this impeachment is rapidly handing back to the Rs virtually every one of those seats-—EXCEPT . . .

They have to field good candidates. I’m seeing good ones in OK5, in Kean in NJ, in Burgess Owens in UT 4 and a couple of others. We need another 20 good ones to win back 18 seats.


14 posted on 12/16/2019 6:07:03 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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I predict an avalanche of negative “Blaisie Ford” type accusations after the House votes to impeach Trump.

They will come over the holidays with while the Senate is on recess.

The goal will be to transform the political landscape before the Senate meets again in January.

McConnell should extend the current session and do the acquittal fast.


16 posted on 12/16/2019 6:07:43 AM PST by 5by5 (ad)
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Perhaps they are going on and on with these distractions, so they can give themselves time to clean up and erase a lot of their personal corruptions?


17 posted on 12/16/2019 6:08:07 AM PST by abclily
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You are reading too much into it. They are surprised and they are being reactionary.


18 posted on 12/16/2019 6:09:06 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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The entire impeachment thing has NEVER been about Trump...

According to the left, Trump has violated laws since day one... Pelosi knows Impeachment is a loser... she stood against it and declared it must be bipartisan... but then suddenly she did a complete about face, once UKRAINE showed up in the picture.... WHY?

WIth all the illegality they claim Trump has done, WHY did UKRAINE suddenly change the course?

Why? Simple, it has NOTHING to do with Trump. This entire #seinfeldimpeachment is about internal democrat party politics. The radical left continues to gain influence, but while this sells in deep blue bastions it doesn’t sell anywhere else, if the Party continues down this road it will not only wind up incapable of winning the white house anytime soon.. it will also lock them out of congressional control as well.

If the Democrats run a “moderate” in 2020, and they lose (which any democrat is losing 2020) the left wing will scream “SEE WE DIDN’T GO FAR ENOUGH LEFT” and continue to gain influence and power... If however the candidate is a far left candidate and they lose, that argument falls flat,, and the influence of the left falls, and the party can moderate for the 2024 cycle, when they actually have a shot at winning the White House.

So, WHY UKRAINE? Because UKRAINE taints Biden, not Trump... so, impeachment tars the Democrat moderate, ensuring a more left wing candidate as the nominee. IT also fires the Trump base up to 11, and alienates the middle, so not only does the left winger get the nomination, but they will wind up being absolutely crushed. Make no mistake pre impeachment the Democrats were looking at a best case scenario of 15 states, regardless of who the nominee is.... Post this crap, their best case is around 10, regardless of the nominee.

This whole impeachment thing is a rope a dope for the radical left. Give them exactly what they want, then cut them off at the knees with it. It has never had anything to do with Trump... that’s just the wrapper being placed on it to sell it.

This is all about knee caping the radical left of the party.


22 posted on 12/16/2019 6:12:28 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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The Dems happily take as much as the GOPe gives them. Right now with a green light from the do-nothing GOP Senate they continue the coup unopposed.


23 posted on 12/16/2019 6:13:06 AM PST by lodi90
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Senator Ratcliff also said there is a risk in the Senate because certain GOP Senators are compromised.

But there is word that corrupt Senators on the SSCI (Intel committee) may be exposed by the Trump side which brings comfort. It brings comfort because they are given a deal to stay out of jail by the Trump side. But the Democrats will also threaten them with exposure. So it has become a race to see who sustains credibility because if the Democrats lose all credibility which they are on track to do, it won’t matter if they leak to their criminal media that Senator So-and-So raped a 12-year old girl with photos from the Epstein files to back it up.

It’s been unearthed and reported on Alt-Media that compromise operations used ‘OCONUS Lures’ (noted in the Page-Strzok texts) and traces of fentanyl to get unknowing politicians into Brownstone urban villas where the fentanyl would leak into a room make them dazed, in a trance, a drugged state of mind. and then the naked children would be brought in for photographs and videos with the target. When the targeted official would wake up and come out of it, they would be confronted with what they were ‘caught doing’, screamed at how disgusting they were, threatened, good cop - bad cop situation where they good cop would come in and say to the compromised target that a deal would be made to keep it secret.

Godfather Part II portrays it perfectly as to how it goes down (3 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3vHOEm-r4

On a related but seemingly unrelated topic, the DC suburban sprawl into Virginia has turned its state government blue and that has resulted by design in draconian gun control laws that are blatantly in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Of course, it was passed recently knowing it would take a year to get to SCOTUS unless it can somehow be fast-tracked which is unlikely.

And look what the Governor of Virginia is planning to do. He will call up the National Guard to enforce gun confiscation.

Why are the events in Virginia and the farce of impeachment related?

When the Democrat mafia leans on 20 compromised GOP Senators, they know there will be an assault on DC by smelly American Walmart deplorables.

Leftists are going to disarm Virginia. And Virginia’s National Guard will presumably be waiting for deplorables to hit DC with plans to torch those that sold out America.

This is what Leftists do, it’s what they have done in dozens of other countries and they will do it in the US around the DC area where they will take control of the Army (legally how? See below.). The Army will put down insurrections by American deplorables. They will write history to say they saved the American ‘democracy’ from the hands of a dictator and his fascist followers.

Truth doesn’t matter to these people. Truth never mattered to communists.

Power is all that matters.

They don’t need to control Maryland because Maryland is a suburb of DC populated by people of the federal government. The federal government is Maryland’s first industry.

But Virginia still has red counties populated by deplorables that believe in the ridiculous outdated parchment called the Constitution. So it has to be disarmed and put down.

They will take out Pence in some manner and Nancy Pelosi will be installed as President and Commander in Chief.

They are doing this because otherwise all of their corruption will land them in jail. In their minds they have no other choice other than to overthrow the US Government and call it impeachment and salvation of democracy.

This is not new. It’s happened before this way in other countries. It’s just that Americans cannot believe that it would ever happen here.


26 posted on 12/16/2019 6:14:29 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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The Democrats, Progressives and the American Left in general, are used to taking direction from the New York Times, the Washington Post, to some extent, AP and a few other outlets.

The Media was the way the Democrats command and control worked.

The Legacy Progressive Media controlled the information flow.

They set the narrative.

They determined what issues were important.

They determined what was a scandal and what was not.

They determined what candidates (both Democrat and Republican) were acceptable and what were not.

This level of control served to govern the nation, pretty much, for at least 50 years.

Through a combination of technology and growing awareness of their agenda and bias, that control has been broken.

That is how President Trump was elected. He tapped into the awareness and used the technology.

The left no longer has a unified command and control mechanism.

The old political leaders, like Pelosi, can see the trap they are in, but they cannot control the Progressive Media.

The Progressive Media sees it no longer is in complete charge of the information flow, but it cannot do anything else but keep trying to control the narrative, issues, scandals, and who is acceptable, all the while failing to do so.

The young Leftist activists have bought into their own lies so entirely, they cannot see the big picture, as Pelosi does.

Thus, the fractured leadership of the party is split and at odd between the Old Guard and the Media-Activist base.

Meanwhile, President Trump is doing a good job of reforming and uniting the Conservatives into a unified front, because he provides unified command and control of the party.

28 posted on 12/16/2019 6:17:36 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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535+ vs. 230 MILLION? How did Hitler, Stalin, Mao do it?


33 posted on 12/16/2019 6:22:24 AM PST by PGalt (Past peak civilization...we are at war by other means.)
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You do not factor in one important point, in your otherwise excellent deconstruction of the Dems vile activities.

Pres Trump has yet to make HIS move......and it will be a beauty......just you wait and see.


34 posted on 12/16/2019 6:22:38 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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Are we missing something in the Democrat strategy? No, we are not the ones missing something. They are. They continue to think they can outfox and outsmart President Trump and he continues to make them look like Wile E. Coyote. They thought they had him with the Ukraine phone call until he did what no one expected: he released the transcript. That takes stones, and he's got them.

PDJT is usually two steps ahead of these bozos but they continue not to understand that nor do they understand that he rewrites the rules they believe he has to follow which would be to their advantage.

Case in point being the daily White House press briefing. We sat there during George W. Bush's tenure and watched the hapless Scott McClellan take his daily beating and further sink the Bush presidency while President Bush played the patrician above it all game that the Bushes like to play to show how grand a family they are.

With President Trump, he set the tone by smacking around the media right from the start, and had two press secretaries who followed his lead in Sean Spicer and then the fantastic Sarah Huckabee Sanders who responded off the top of her head in ways that the rest of us would come up only hours later after stewing all day. When even that was not enough to get them to knock it off and behave like professionals, the President did away with the press briefings all together and initiated his own version. And so was born the helicopter blades a-whirring press availability that he conducts where the media jackals can ask what they like, but no one can hear or more important, see them, while he is heard and seen answering them. Sucks to be them.

My only concern in all this is what they're going to do when they finally and fully understand they cannot beat him. I pray every night for the President to be safe.

38 posted on 12/16/2019 6:26:23 AM PST by Dahoser (Not separation of church and state, but separation of media and state.)
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