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75 Years after the Liberation of Auschwitz
The American Thinker ^ | 1-26-2020 | Mark Musser

Posted on 01/26/2020 7:03:52 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman

While this may surprise many, there is actually an old dispute between historians over the intentionality of the Holocaust. In academic circles, it is called the Intentionalism vs. Functionalism debate. Intentionalists simply argue the Nazis intended to annihilate the Jews all along consistent with their oft-repeated statements, and finally took seriously their plans to do so from 1938 onwards. Functionalists, on the other hand, strongly argue that in spite of the earlier violent shrills of Nazis rhetoric against the Jews, the Holocaust itself occurred in a rather ad hoc manner based largely on differing and evolving circumstances that became increasingly radicalized into a gigantic snowball of sorts that could not be stopped once it started rolling down the mountainside, creating wider and wider swaths of destruction the farther it went downslope ....

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TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: auschwitz; functionalism; holocaust; intentionalism
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1 posted on 01/26/2020 7:03:52 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Anyone claiming the deaths were not on purpose doesn’t know the entire history of the Nazi.

Their own statements of purpose and plans and actions are not vague. They fully intended to eliminate, by killing, the Jews.

Claiming otherwise is tantamount to claiming someone saying they are going to punch you and then does so might of only tripped and lost their balance and it was an accident.


2 posted on 01/26/2020 7:06:05 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

One group read Mein Kampf, the other didn’t...


3 posted on 01/26/2020 7:09:03 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: CodeToad

Something so quickly organized and so horribly efficient and massive didn’t “just happen.”


4 posted on 01/26/2020 7:10:39 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Step 1 to both sides.

Ban guns.


5 posted on 01/26/2020 7:13:27 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

A furniture store in a town where I lived was owned by an Auschwitz survivor - he was very successful and when each of his three sons hit 21, he set them up with their own business.


6 posted on 01/26/2020 8:19:41 AM PST by dainbramaged (Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
The Wannsee Conference , January 20, 1942 spelled it all out.
7 posted on 01/26/2020 8:51:07 AM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: jmacusa

Was it attended by Bernie and Pocahontas and the Demoniacrats?


8 posted on 01/26/2020 8:56:18 AM PST by 353FMG ( In Trump we trust.)
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To: dainbramaged

Wow.


9 posted on 01/26/2020 10:03:46 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Wilhelm Tell

The Functionalist view of the Holocaust is largely a German point of view, but is mixed in with others unwittingly helped to foster it without thinking it through seriously enough.


10 posted on 01/26/2020 10:06:45 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: CodeToad

It is amazing what happens to historians when they are influenced by Marxian materialism and postmodern madness.


11 posted on 01/26/2020 10:07:43 AM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: jmacusa

Die Wannseekonferenz (1984)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URSNN5mnI2g

(Much better than “Conspiracy”)


12 posted on 01/26/2020 10:21:05 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
A minor quibble - "Majdankek" was "Majdenek" and it was a concentration camp first, then an extermination camp, and then a concentration camp again. Chelmno was not an Operation Reinhard camp.

It hardly seems pertinent to wonder what degree of deliberation went into the camps - the Operation Reinhard facilities were meticulously planned, monstrously operated, and after autumn of 1943 carefully cleaned up to minimize or eliminate the evidence. So well, in fact, that archaeological evidence of the gas chambers and crematoria at Sobibor wasn't found until 2014. At what point the building execution of the Jews morphed into the Holocaust is a subject of debate - it is usually set at the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941 but plenty of murder went on before that, notably at Chelmno, where, under Aktion T4, the original target of "social undesirables" included but was not restricted to the Jewish population. SOURCE

But as the author states, the Holocaust included more than the extermination facilities - Nikolaus Wachsmann does not use the term "camps" for these - and most of the labor camps were, in their own brutal way, death camps due to exposure, disease, and starvation. The conditions in those camps were not accidental, and if they worsened due to overcrowding as the war went on, that was itself entirely predictable and deliberately neglected.

13 posted on 01/26/2020 10:32:18 AM PST by Billthedrill
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The game-changer at Wannsee was the fact that the policy changed, where half-Jews were now considered as full-Jews, which was contrary to the policies established in the Nuremberg Laws.

Whereas before Wannsee, the process was more arbitrary, Wannsee made it precise.


14 posted on 01/26/2020 10:35:58 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

A casual survey of what the Nazis did will reveal that there was nothing ad hoc in their goals, their plans, and the execution of their policy. Take a look at what happened in Hungary.

Hungary was an ally of Germany, so the Germans did nothing to deal with the “Jewish problem” in Hungary until Hungary withrew from the Axis and sued for peace with the Allies. At that point, the Germans had refined their policies, programs, and methods and launched their extermination system with a vengance using the lessons that they had learned elsewhere. What the Germans did in Hungary was deliberate, ruthless, and effective. The facts from Hungary destroys the ad hoc argument.


15 posted on 01/26/2020 10:45:17 AM PST by centurion316 (.)
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To: 353FMG

Most likely.


16 posted on 01/26/2020 10:55:35 AM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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Distortions :

“1/6” of all murders for 1 million killed at ...

Thats for jews killed. Its Not mentioning the 5+ other million people the nazis similarly murdered - including several million Russian POWs.

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Not usually mentioned : the long term intent of the Nazi to exterminate ALL the Slavs in the lands they were attempting to conquered (well over 100 million).

Nor is mentioned the numbers (far more millions beyond the ‘holocaust’) murdered by the Soviets decades previous -— a chapter of history leftist academics chronically ignore.


17 posted on 01/26/2020 5:14:47 PM PST by elbook
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Sometime in the recent years there was a declaration in the media that the ‘camps’ were much more numerous than previously thought ... “10000” !!!. But that wasnt really news, as farming inmates out to ‘work’ camps close to the industries they served was already understood - and these were now being counted.

It was more a case of the journalists thinking they had some new revelation when they didnt.


18 posted on 01/26/2020 5:20:52 PM PST by elbook
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To: Billthedrill

Yes, very few ‘workers’ survived as it was a slower way to death, and yes, Chelmo was already in operation before Operation Reinhard got going, but perhaps the point was to point out the almost 2 million deaths associated with Reinhard and Chelmo.


19 posted on 01/26/2020 9:31:49 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: centurion316

Yes, their goals were not ad-hoc, but the implementation of the Final Solution was much more difficult to accomplish, and this is where the ad hoc functionalists take over the discussion. Contrary to popular opinion, the road to Auschwitz was very twisted and full of chaos at the very beginning, but once they got there, it was a well oiled through a brutal process of trial and error. By 1944, Operation Reinhard was already over, and then the Hungarian Jews were rounded up and sent to Auschwitz - some half million of them died there.


20 posted on 01/26/2020 9:41:37 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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