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Kobe's Sikorsky appeared to be climbing and turning around
Flightradar24.com ^ | Duke C.

Posted on 01/26/2020 2:53:27 PM PST by Duke C.

According to the ADSB transponder data he was following the 101 Fwy to Thousand Oaks. Then suddenly turned and dropped rapidly. Last data point shows he was dropping at 4,000 FPM which is pretty extreme...


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To: Zuriel

Although approved it’s kinda dumb not to have another deck officer in that craft, too much going on for one person IMHO.


201 posted on 01/27/2020 6:25:30 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Jeff Vader

You hit a solid object at 45mph on a motorcycle.....and you are dead.


202 posted on 01/27/2020 10:18:22 AM PST by Arlis
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To: Vaquero

Yes - but pilot only has seconds to get into auto-rotate.

My son is a Navy helo pilot. In some choppers, time to get into auto-rotate is a second or less.

At 4,000 ft/min. decent, chopper was not in auto-rotate.......also they need forward speed to “flare” before landing, slowing decent significantly.......may not have had enough altitude to have any forward airspeed........


203 posted on 01/27/2020 10:21:43 AM PST by Arlis
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To: usmcobra

This is correct - blades reversing direction is false.

Clutch between engine and blades must be dis-engaged so blades can rotate from speed of air passing through them.

Then the rotating blades become sort of like a poor version of wings that the copter can sort of (not really) glide under.........they don’t provide lift, but reduce the rate of fall.....


204 posted on 01/27/2020 10:29:23 AM PST by Arlis
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To: oldvirginian; All
Unfortunately Kobe did have tats including the names of his wife and kids:
Gianna Maria-Onore
Vanessa
Natalia Diamante

As well as:
Psalm 27
Butterfly Crown
Angel Wings

He probably added the name of his youngest before he died.

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The fact that Kobe had the tat, "Psalm 27," says a lot to me about his spiritual condition and where he probably resides today. IMHO.

Psalm 27 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Lord Is My Light and My Salvation
Of David.

1 The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
The Lord is the stronghold[a] of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

2 When evildoers assail me to eat up my flesh,
my adversaries and foes, it is they who stumble and fall.

3 Though an army encamp against me, my heart shall not fear;
though war arise against me, yet[b] I will be confident.

4 One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek after:
that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life,
to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to inquire[c] in his temple.

5 For he will hide me in his shelter in the day of trouble;
he will conceal me under the cover of his tent; he will lift me high upon a rock.

6 And now my head shall be lifted up above my enemies all around me,
and I will offer in his tent sacrifices with shouts of joy;
I will sing and make melody to the Lord.

7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry aloud; be gracious to me and answer me!

8 You have said, “Seek[d] my face.” My heart says to you,
“Your face, Lord, do I seek.”[e]

9 Hide not your face from me. Turn not your servant away in anger,
O you who have been my help. Cast me not off; forsake me not,
O God of my salvation!

10 For my father and my mother have forsaken me, but the Lord will take me in.

11 Teach me your way, O Lord, and lead me on a level path because of my enemies.

12 Give me not up to the will of my adversaries; for false witnesses have risen against me,
and they breathe out violence.

13 I believe that I shall look[f] upon the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living!

14 Wait for the Lord; be strong, and let your heart take courage; wait for the Lord!

205 posted on 01/27/2020 11:08:37 AM PST by Perseverando (Liberals, Progressives, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies, DemoKKKrats: It's a Godlessness disorder.)
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To: Perseverando; cherry; Maris Crane

Interesting piece on Breitbart about Kobe and how he reconnected to his Catholic faith due to the rape allegation.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/01/26/how-kobe-bryants-catholic-faith-helped-him-turn-his-life-around/


206 posted on 01/27/2020 12:28:30 PM PST by oldvirginian (I know not what course others may take but as for me Give me Liberty or give me death)
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To: halfright

You most certainly may. Enjoy!


207 posted on 01/27/2020 1:58:57 PM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: moehoward

Not sure but if the chopper actually went down that fast I’m definitely leaning towards mechanical failure. The NTSB Crew will get to the bottom of the problem(s).

I read somewhere on FR that someone mentioned that the Engine(s) were making weird noises. Bad Fuel possibly?


208 posted on 01/27/2020 2:20:31 PM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: mabarker1

Thank you and God Bless..... Hillary thought she won...and God Laughed


209 posted on 01/27/2020 2:25:53 PM PST by halfright (Deplorable in Florida...ANYONE SEEN Hunter??)
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To: halfright
LOL !!! A big old Lightning Bolt would’ve been a nice touch🤪
210 posted on 01/27/2020 2:29:52 PM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: oldvirginian

Thanks, ov, this is much appreciated.

I am so unconscious I did not know/remember about rape.

I’ll remember him like he was in his later life.


211 posted on 01/27/2020 3:48:19 PM PST by Maris Crane
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To: libh8er; Rainwave; glorgau

In SoCal the news has been covering the crash non-stop since 10am yesterday.

There are no reports of a sputtering engine or any other sort of engine trouble. Witnesses in Calabasas include a pilot. This was a twin engine helicopter that could fly on one engine if it had to.

This will be declared a controlled flight into terrain accident. The pilot was at 1085 feet and he never saw the 1700 foot hill he flew into. The lesson is don’t fly in low clouds and heavy fog because you can’t see. Just that simple.


212 posted on 01/27/2020 4:28:23 PM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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To: Maris Crane

“I’ll remember him like he was in his later life.”

As will I.

The bad things he did earlier in life are between Kobe and God.
Kobe Bryant did a lot of good in the last years of his life. This is also between Kobe and God.
We can celebrate that the King of Kings inspired a uniquely gifted man to serve Him in his last years.


213 posted on 01/27/2020 4:33:28 PM PST by oldvirginian (I know not what course others may take but as for me Give me Liberty or give me death)
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To: oldvirginian

Amen.


214 posted on 01/27/2020 7:30:23 PM PST by Maris Crane
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To: Maris Crane; oldvirginian

Nice to see some FReepers with a sense of forgiveness and capacity to recognize redemption. :-)

There was a time I really didn’t like Kobe. On some political issues, I still don’t - but maybe he’s just misinformed. Either way, now I am sad for his family and friends, and sad wondering what more he could have accomplished.


215 posted on 01/27/2020 8:17:07 PM PST by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left worth controlling.)
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To: SkyDancer

I’ve wondering since Sunday, “what was the OAT the last time the pilot set the altimeter before Sunday,... 70... 75? And what was it in the overcast mid-morning air,.. 55... 60? Did he forget to set it before flying that day? Would that have been the difference in clearing the top of the mountain in the fog?”

Over 35 yrs ago my dad flew a Cessna Conquest twin turbine for a business, single pilot, in all sorts of conditions. But, by that time, he probably had 6 or 7k hrs in twin Cessnas. He always said the best compliment of his flying skills came from the future CEO of Hardees, Jack Laughery, about 1974: “Ben doesn’t get in an airplane to fly it. He puts it on like a sport coat, and just wears it.”

As I’m sure you are aware, hours aloft as PIC is only one measurement of skills. Some folks get the ratings, and experience, but are still scary to watch fly an aircraft, because it just never becomes natural to them.


216 posted on 01/28/2020 4:25:57 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

He said he was lost and I bet he suffered from SD - didn’t rely on his instruments and I bet that craft had a glass panel.


217 posted on 01/28/2020 4:43:42 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, I looked the pics of it when it belonged to the state of IL. It was old school at the time of the photos. But I wondered if it had been upgraded. I have no idea how an altimeter is set in on a glass panel.

If it was old school, and was off a few hundred feet, it’s possible that he didn’t even look at it until he was in the clouds.

But yeah, SD is a killer. :(


218 posted on 01/28/2020 5:37:25 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: SkyDancer

The changes in direction cause changes of the sound of the engines and rotors. That may be the sound variations that folks on the ground were hearing.


219 posted on 01/28/2020 6:01:32 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

Especially the sound bouncing off the canyon walls plus the craft being in the fog/clouds and they couldn’t see it.


220 posted on 01/28/2020 6:05:01 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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