[Mariner]

This chronicle of mayhem continues....

[Mariner]

For the ping list

[thesearethetimes...]

Present.

[cgbg]

Yo! Thanks.

[Big Red Badger]

For Later. ?
If there Is one.
Cheers

[BusterDog]

I like the changing thread title. Maybe something to mock the FluBros soon, unless developing events continue to suck all the fun out of that activity.

[Pollard]

Happens every time - it's like you wait for me to post and then start a new thread LOL bringing over from one of the last posts on previous thread

Chinese Virus presser about to start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czayodBQ3o NBC
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=coronavirus+press+conference+live&sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D Search results for coronavirus press conference filtered by Live

[CharleysPride]

#23 it is.

[StAnDeliver]

New Smyrna Beach, Florida

[sockhead]

We are shutting down schools, offices, restaurants, gathering places...Meantime, everyone is gathering at grocery stores.

Many customers admitting that their trip to Walmart is out of boredom. They aren't giving each other space. In fact, they are getting closer than usual, face to face. I work for Walmart Inc and I'm in the store helping to put stock on shelves.

[Grampa Dave]

Novel coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95 percent had China responded to the outbreak just three weeks earlier than it did, a March 13 study by the University of Southampton has found.

President Xi Jinping’s The Yellow Peril ChiCom Wuhan Pneumonia Novel Coronavirus aka the Red Death/Mass People Killing Virus, Chinobyl#2, The Yellow Peril, Made in China!

[twin2]

Thanks for the new thread. That tittle made me laugh out loud.

[Badboo]

N-95s great price but you have to act now

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-municipal-surplus-safe-life-n95-respirator-surgical-masks-25-pack-new?a=2228538

[goodnesswins]

I have a question. Lotsa people are ordering takeout or using drive thrus...even taking it to nursing homes for their elders (some in our family) Doesn’t anyone question the safety of that...from packaging, to the food itself, ie salads, bakery, etc.)?

[scouter]

Some analysis and discussion...

The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for CLOSED CASES (based on official published numbers) for various locations are listed below:

China - 4.3% (obviously bogus)
Italy - 44.0% (Overwhelmed)
Spain - 64.2% (Overwhelmed??)
United States - 65.7% (Low sample size)
Germany - 26.4% (Low sample size)
Iran - 16.9%
France - 22.1%
S. Korea - 3.8%
Switzerland - 81%
UK - 73.5%

For those who are comparing this to the published mortality rates, understand that the Mortality Rate and the Case Fatality Rate are not the same thing, even though their names might give the impression that they are. The numbers I've posted are calculated as deaths/closed cases, where a closed case is one where the patient either died or recovered. It does not include those who are still sick or who have the disease and remain undiagnosed. Thus, it answers a different question than statistics (like the mortality rate) that include those people. It answers the question If I am diagnosed with this disease, how likely am I to die from it?

CFR is also frequently calculated over a period of time, which is appropriate for diseases such as cancer. For example, it could be calculated to answer the question If I am diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, how likely am I to die within the next year?

So it is perfectly legitimate to calculate the statistic as I have. You just have to know what cases are included in the denominator to begin to understand the question that the number is answering.

Case Fatality Rates are used as one indication among several of the severity of an illness. A disease with a low CFR that is widely prevalent or contagious will not kill many people. On the other hand, a highly contagious disease with a high CFR can end up killing many, many people. And of course, the worst case scenario is a disease that is both highly contagious and has a high CFR. It is arguable, at least (and in my personal opinion, already demonstrated) that this is that case with COVID-19, or Coronavirus.

There are many factors that can influence a CFR. Here's a list of just some of them:

• How many people have been tested
• Ability of the local health care system to accurately diagnose the disease. This includes the accuracy of their testing methods.
• The ability of the local health care system to accurately collect and report data. This includes the political will to be transparent.
• The ability and willingness of political and health care decision makers to take early action.
• The unique strain of the virus that is predominant in a given location
• The ability of the health care system in that location to treat the number of patients with the disease. This includes numbers of hospital beds, availability of medications, ventilators, etc., number of uninfected health care personnel, etc.
• The experience the medical personnel in any given area have with the disease, and their access to information from other professionals
• The season of the year (although it's not clear that's relevant with Coronavirus, and there are indications it is not)
• Genetics
• The prevalence of other diseases and health conditions in the local community, including age, diabetes, obesity, lung disease (think of places with polluted air), poverty, malnutrition, etc.

I find it interesting to note that the only places with a CFR in the single digits (as I have calculated it) are in Asia. I don't know what that means. It could be simply bad data reporting. Or it could be a genetic factor.

[dakine]

I’m still having to go to work... Traffic has been glorious... I need to start an under/over pool on how many speeding tickets I’ll receive during the duration of this shutdown/slowdown...

[9YearLurker]

I don’t think I want “Great” and “China” to be used in the same phrase.

[NRx]

These started out as sober threads. But the thread titles have dropped to the level I would expect from middle school students. Juvenile.

Moving on.

[bgill]

Thanks.

[grey_whiskers]

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Banks starting to take more precautions.

Sioux City banks close their lobbies, restrict access due to coronavirus (Iowa, 3/20/20)