Posted on 12/26/2020 8:25:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
WASHINGTON, Tuesday, Dec. 25.
Christmas Day has been very dull, and everybody seems to be gloomy.
Very many gentlemen have gone home to spend the holidays.
The investigation has been pursued in the matter of the frauds at the Department of the Interior to-day. Nothing beyond the amount first mentioned has yet been discovered. A rumor has been current for the past three days of frauds in the Treasury Department, but it is without foundation, so far as I can learn. No investigation has been instituted, as stated, in that Department.
RUSSELL has gone to jail for want of bonds; five hundred thousand being demanded. Only three thousand was demanded of BAILEY. He will get bail to-night or to-morrow morning.
The South Carolina Commissioners did not arrive to-day. They will be here to-morrow. The Administration refuses to tell what course it will pursue towards them, but the President says he shall carry out the spirit of the Message -- which the Republicans interpret against the recognition of these men and their right to demand concessions from the Federal Government against the spirit of the laws. Speaker PENNINGTON and Vice-President BRECKINRIDGE have determined not to recognize them, unless by order of the House and Senate.
Mr. SEWARD's propositions in the Committtee of Thirteen have caused much surprise, but seem to have accomplished no good, and nearly every one now give up all hope of an agreement. He proposed to repeal the Personal Liberty bills and to amend the Fugitive Slave law -- giving the right of trial by jury. Although intended to settle all difficulties, those propositions, coming from a leader of the Republican Party, utterly fail in their purpose.
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Shoulda hanged the commissioners.
If the South had been allowed to secede peacefully, the 50 states would not be spiritually and financially bankrupt as they are today.
Lincoln’s war for Empire emboldened Wilson’s insane entry into World War 1, which begat Hitler and World War 2, which begat the Korea and Vietnam wars.
Now, we stand on the brink of another secession movement, as our masters in the Beltway spend and tax us into oblivion.
If the south had been allowed to secede peacefully than the fears of the founders and the framers of this great country would have been realized. We would have eventually had a plethora of bickering, warring, country’s on this continent.
“Should the States reject this excellent Constitution, the probability is, an opportunity will never again offer to cancel another in peace — the next will be drawn in blood.” - George Washington in the Pennsylvania Journal and Weekly Advertiser, November 14, 1787
The New Your Times was still a news paper in 1860.
Horace Greeley’s New York Tribune was America’s leading newspaper during the Civil War. Tribune was ‘progressive’ while the Times of those days was explicitly conservative.
I did not know that it was in the air to beat the soon-to-be-born CSA to the punch by annexing the “ignorant and degraded” people of Mexico. Will any more be heard of this idea?
We will have to wait and see, but I doubt a conservative like A. Lincoln will be interested in increasing the size of territorial U.S. He might figure the current states and territories are enough to deal with for now.
It's the same way nowadays. Every whisper makes it onto the Internet, and the whispers the major media like make it into their articles and broadcasts. Those they don't approve of circulate underground. Then there's the rumor about Buchanan's administration arming the rebels, which turned out to be true so far as some key officials were concerned.
Also familiar from our own day: Nobody knows what's really going on. Was secession for real? Or just a trick or bluff or stunt designed to get concessions? We now know the secessionists meant it. That wasn't obvious at the time. What the country would do in the face of secession attempts also wasn't entirely certain.
Then as now, politicians make all kinds of last-minute schemes to deal with what's going on, schemes that usually fall through. What is different now is that we have think tanks and all manner of organizations and groups whose full-time job is to think, plan and scheme. Some small-town lawyer in downstate Illinois didn't have those resources, so the idea that he came up with and implemented some far-seeing, long-range master-plan is more than a little bit silly.
Dealing with the immediate situation was challenging enough, and nobody knew (or deep down wanted to know if what was coming was depressing) what tomorrow would bring, let alone how things would look over a century later.
That is a big fat, typical Democrat, lie.
So, were you born Democrat, or did you learn later how to be a lying sack of Adam Schiff from one of their masters?
BrexitBen: "...emboldened Wilson’s insane entry into World War 1..."
Insane or not, Wilson was a literal child of the Democrats' Confederacy, not a student of Republican Lincoln.
Then as now Democrats represented globalist mercantile interests which, by 1917, Wilson realized would be severely damaged from a Kaiser-German war victory.
Unrestricted U-boat attacks on American supply ships to Britain & France were really the least of it.
The biggest factor was the huge war-debt Brits, French & others piled up and would be defaulted on should they lose the First World War.
BrexitBen: "which begat Hitler and World War 2, "
Some otherwise sane people have long argued there'd be no Second World War if the US had just let Germans win the First World War.
It's a ludicrous argument because, had Germans won the First World War there would be no Allied powers left strong enough to oppose future German expansions.
So there would be no Second World War because, after victory in the First, Germans could then take whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted to.
Nobody could stop them.
BrexitBen: "which begat the Korea and Vietnam wars."
Korea and Vietnam were our "thanks" for helping save Stalin's rear end in WWII.
Had Germans won either World War, today's world political, economic & military map would be quite different.
But the issues would still boil down to whether we ever intended, somewhere, sometime, somehow, to oppose their further military expansion?
If/when that time ever came, it could make Korea & Vietnam look like child's play.
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