Posted on 04/02/2021 7:00:53 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
Of the various Covid injections available, is there strong science on the rate of excess death after having taken the shot?
With many millions having recieved the shot, every day a few dozen will die of heart attack, cancer, stroke, being hit by a bus, etc.
The real trick is to find out HOW MANY MORE died than usual, as a percent of those who took the shot.
For example, if the background rate of death is 0.025% per Quarter of a Year, and the jabbed contingent on an age adjusted basis die at 0.056%, then death coincident (not causal, I get it) with the vaccine is just over double the expected rate.
Looking for REAL SCIENCE on this, which will be hard to find given the highly politicized nature of the subject.
And, I'm looking for a comparison AMONG the types of shots for decision making purposes. Both a Go / No Go decision, and a Which One decision.
Please provide links to what appears to be authoritative science.
Gotta make some plans over here, and I trust the FR Hive Brain more than any other source.
Thanks!
Also factor in that almost 400,000 had died (or so we’re told) in the first 11 months before the vaccine and 100,000 more died in the first month that mass vaccines were administered.
An obvious Vanity, which I hope the Admin Mods will allow for the general interest and value to the community.
excess deaths?
Was there supposed to be a nominal number of deaths?
Yes. People die every day.
I’m looking for how many MORE people died than usual shortly after the various shots.
To ponder:
The Nuremberg Code
1.The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
.The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3.The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4.The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5.No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6.The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7.Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
8.The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9.During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
10.During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
[”Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10”, Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]
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“With many millions having recieved the shot, every day a few dozen will die of heart attack, cancer, stroke, being hit by a bus, etc.
The real trick is to find out HOW MANY MORE died than usual, as a percent of those who took the shot.”
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That method would not provide the results you are looking for. Approximately 8,000 people die every day in the U.S. So far 2,509 deaths after covid vaccine have been reported by the CDC. (due to update today.)
The best way to measure the vaccine’s contribution to after vax death is to compare the results from this vaccine to previous vaccines and in fact in VAERS recently released Standard Operating Procedures they actually spell that out “Perform comparative analysis with other vaccines (e.g., compare frequencies and proportions with influenza vaccine) • Analyze reporting rates and compare reporting rates with other vaccines or background rates.”
Here are those numbers:
Flu vaccine: 1/1/2020 - 3/11/2021 (covers 64 weeks) Over 200 million doses administered
12,491 adverse effects reported to VAERS; 159 deaths. 66% of senior citizens get a flu shot. Adults 18-64 Years Old Least Likely to Get Flu Shots (35.7%)
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Covid vaccine: 12/20/2020 - 3/19/2021 (covers 12 weeks) Over 140 million doses administered
205,000 adverse effects reported to VAERS; 2,509 deaths.
Data indicates that 1/3 of the deaths after covid vax occurs in the first 48 hrs. post vaccine.
My advice to anyone who wants to get a clear picture of the deaths after the covid vax should go to the VAERS Wonder site and pull up the deaths and read the specifics. I have read hundreds of them...very sad.
The number of 50 and 60 year olds dying of massive heart attacks in my area has increased including friends of mine. They were all healthy and were all excited to get the vaccine. One was a teacher a golf buddy of mine. He got the shots so he can be back to the classroom. Had his shots in the beginning of the month, dead 3 weeks later. No one is asking if the vaccine caused their heart attacks. They just said they died of heart attacks.
Someone posted a blog piece that referenced the European adverse events reporting system (http://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html) in order to try to make the case that there are tons of serious side effects and deaths from people receiving the vaccine. In reality, the adverse event profiles of the Covid-19 vaccines are not much different than adverse event profiles of other vaccines (I looked at an infant hepatitis vaccine and an influenza vaccine for comparison). Most of the adverse events have nothing to do with the vaccine, but are reflective of the general health of the population receiving them.
You can look at the European reporting system, or the US reporting system (VAERS). These systems report adverse events, but do not show causality. They provide information that statisticians can use to determine if more of event X happens in people who received the drug vs people who did not receive it.
When I looked at the European system, I did note that 18 or 19 deaths were associated with one of the vaccines (I did not look at the other vaccines). Of those deaths, one looked like it might have been causally related to a vaccine. A young man died of Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is a rare side effect of vaccination. Other than that, when we try to interpret such findings, we have to keep in mind that the Covid-19 vaccines were prioritized to elderly people and people with certain medical conditions that make them more prone to serious Covid-19 illness. Since both of these groups are more likely to die than the general population, there is no reason to think that their deaths were related to the vaccine. So, 18 deaths out of how many vaccine recipients, compared to how many deaths in an equal size sample of the same populations who did not receive the vaccine, how does that compare? I don’t know. At this point, I would predict that the number of deaths in the vaccinated group is lower than the deaths in the unvaccinated group, simply because they are significantly less likely to die from Covid-19 at this point.
From Feb 28 to Mar 31, a total of 279,622 people worldwide died from Covid-19, of which 39,006 people were in the US.
The total number of deaths as of this morning are 2,830,016 worldwide and 553,140 in the US.
I’m a little tired of all of this fearmongering about the vaccines, when millions have already died from the disease it mitigates. There is no case in which any vaccine is more dangerous than the disease it prevents. It is astounding that people are willing to believe all kinds of bad things about vaccines while shrugging off the real possibilities of death or disability caused by infectious diseases.
The CDC keeps death statistics and shows, statistically, that hundreds of thousands of excess deaths have occurred due to Covid-19; most of that excess was directly caused by Covid-19.
With the Covid-19 vaccine, I would expect that in matched populations, more people die in the unvaccinated group than the vaccinated group, because they are no longer susceptible to the worst outcomes of Covid-19 even if they still catch it after vaccination.
EXCESS Deaths by Covid Vaccine Type?
Just out of curiosity. Has anyone heard anything about preventive medicine from out exalted health professionals. Is it all about making the pharma companies rich.
There is a lot of information that is being censored.
And under the concept that the vaccine is supposed to prevent death, wouldn’t it be possible to caculate the number of Excess NON-deaths?
I am thinking that in a given population with a know death rate, introduction of a pathagen, a time period of infection without vaccine, and then a time period with vaccine, that there should be a way of determining how many lives are being saved ... if statisticly significant.
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Do you have a link ?
I believe a virus with an extraordinarily high survival rate needs no vaccine. For some reason we now believe we need to medicate and vaccinate for everything, or life cannot go on. I believe this to be a mistake.
All we ever needed for covid was common sense, the kind that used to be taught as manners. Cover your mouth when you sneeze or cough, and wash your hands.
It really is that simple. No single invention in the history of mankind did more to stop viruses than soap.
This should be easily figured out. If x% of the population die every year, x% +400,000 claimed covid deaths should be easily verifiable and readily seen in the 2020 data.
I think the only place you'll find reliable data is from the clinical trials of the various vaccines. That's about the only place where two matched populations, one vaccinated and one not, are closely tracked over time.
They'll report number of deaths in each group and the cause.
You'll then need to compare the results between the various trials.
The FDA provides access to all of the trial data that's been submitted to it.
It is important to analyze covid death statistics accurately. Unfortunately, deaths from covid and deaths with covid have been comingled in our stats because health officials (e.g. Dr. Birx) instructed them to be. And, 42 Percent of Coronavirus Deaths were in Nursing Homes and many were the direct result of horrific policies by politicians.
More important only 10% of the population has had confirmed covid tests, which means during the entire 15 month pandemic 90% did not. And approximately 99% of the 10% who did contract the virus recovered from it.
Prophylactic vaccines are given to healthy people. If they kill or seriously harm people who were not likely to contract the virus to begin with and would be expected to recover even if they did then they are not a satisfactory solution.
By the way, just as an aside I read an interesting article from 2017 about the new mRNA technology. The author was part of the development and very upbeat about the prospects for the tech. But, he specifically made the point that it would be used first in a disease like cancer because of the significant adverse effects risk which is acceptable in a fatal disease, but would never be approved by the FDA for a prophylactic vaccine. Fast forward 3 years and the pandemic and it is being used despite significant adverse effect risk; not to mention unknown at this point long term risk.
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