Posted on 08/14/2021 9:39:35 AM PDT by Trueblackman
While Biden Adminstration tries rushes 3,000 Marines to Afghanistan in the hopes of protecting the U.S. Embassy, it is my personal belief that the Embassy is already lost and surrounded!
As I told a friend the other day, "The only thing that is factual in Afghanistan is loyalty to one's clan." and with the Taliban less that 50 miles from the capital, "How long do we expect Government Officials and the laughable Afghan Security Forces to hold on to the fantasy that they can stop the Taliban?" With 1,000s of refugees are currently flooding into Kabul daily expect the security situation to crumble as the Taliban has lay siege to the city having already cut power and nearly all communications.
With all that said, "How long before those in besieged Capital City turn on Westerners, lay siege to the American Embassy and other interest and take hostages to be used as bargaining chips once the city falls?"
For those of us here who are old enough to remember Tehran 1979 this is truly possible as Islamic Security Forces, who were originally protecting the American Embassy lead protesters in the capture of American Citizens for 444 days.
For those here who say that Trump had also set a withdrawal date to end 20 years of war. Trump's plan called for a phased withdrawal of Troops as long as certain conditions were met which included the Taliban laying down their arms and taking part in a unity government.
Once the Biden Administration came in they made the choice to totally abandon Afghanistan with no conditions for the Taliban or protections for American Troops, Contractors or Western Allies.
The Regional Players will quickly accept the reality of Taliban Rule once Kabul falls, which would makes a military rescue mission all but impossible i.e. Operation Eagle Claw, so the Biden Administration will have no choice but to bribe Pakistan with millions of dollars to find a diplomatic that would include millions going directly to the Taliban and even an official apology for our past transgressions against them.
Do you have any evidence? Or just an overactive imagination?
In my opinion your speculation is mistaken. It took the Taliban 20 years to get rid of us, and they aren’t stupid enough to provoke us like that.
The embassy was lost the day we decided to nation-build.
From my home page
I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
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Right.
Even the failed hostage rescue attempt in Iran needed a refueling place (Desert One) between Tehran and the Persian Gulf. Anybody discussing helicopter flights from Kabul needs to take a look at a map; their destination better be close by.
> I am not sure what the Taliban will do, and whether they even have the discipline to control their own forces... <
On another thread someone in the know remarked that the Taliban is not an army in the Western sense. It’s more like a group of loosely affiliated militias. And since there is no central command structure, the worst can and probably will happen. Beheadings, rapes, etc. (as you noted).
I just wonder how the press will smooth that all over. Because remember, “Islam is peace”.
bttt
Instead of the last person leaving turning off the lights, they just need to blow the damn thing up. Leave nothing for them to use.
No. They are not deserving. They can join their Afghan Army and fight. If they flee they are cowards. My SIL's (deployed to Kabul Thursday night) life should not be put in harms way for a bunch of coward Muslims. We spent $88 Billion on training and arming them. Now they won't fight. Tough crap. No a single American life is worth putting on the line for pedophile worshiping POSs.
“..No a single American life is worth putting on the line for pedophile worshiping POSs....”
THIS ^
I thought Bagram airbase was lost
if so, how do you land 3000 marines and their gear quickly?
I base my speculations not on the Taliban, but on the fear of those nearly trapped in Kabul by the Taliban. Fear is a motivating factor here.
What better way to spare yourself and family than to offer up a captured Western? The Taliban has been publicly executing any government officials and security members in Cities and Towns that have fallen to them accroading to those who have made their way to Kabul.
The Joint Chiefs certainly deserve some blame for this if they suggested pick up and leave over an orderly demob.
And as I have said before, you know the Taliban are going to infiltrate those Muslim immigration groups.
What can we do about it?
Keep exposing and resisting the anti-American agenda; and in the next election throw out of office, and power, those Socialists , Communists, Rinos, Globalists and other America haters.
If those things don't work, then I believe a civil war will break out in our country.
I also believe if China is going to start a military war with us, they will do it late next year, depending on the election outcome in the House and Senate.
After the election results are in next year, China will see which way the wind is blowing in this country, and take appropriate action for their best interests -Tom
“Maybe waiting for more Taliban to show up before taking Kabul?
The Taliban already own Afghanistan. We went in to try to cut off safe havens and supplies from getting to Al Queda years ago and it actually worked. Al Queda was pretty much chased out. So now that we are bailing is it such a surprise the Taliban is taking over when they not only sense a weakness but see it with the withdrawal of troops and equipment?
On 29 February 2020, the U.S. signed an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw troops in 14 months if the Taliban uphold the terms of the agreement. The Taliban has never upheld any agreement except to other terrorist groups.
As of February 2020, about 13,000 American troops were still in the country. The two sides agreed a gradual, conditions-based withdrawal over 14 months and the withdrawal agreement encompasses “all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel.”
In the first phase the U.S. will initially reduce its forces in Afghanistan by about 5,000 troops to 8,600 within 135 days of the U.S.–Taliban agreement. During the gradual withdrawal, the Taliban and the Afghan government would have to work out a more concrete power-sharing settlement. That time frame would give the government the cover of American military protection while negotiating. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the remaining U.S. troops will serve as leverage to ensure the Taliban lives up to its promises. If the Taliban fulfills its commitments to renounce al-Qaeda and begin intra-Afghan peace talks, the U.S. agreed to a complete withdrawal of all remaining American forces from Afghanistan within ten months. We’ve already seen the results of this.
Soon after the withdrawal started, the Taliban launched an offensive against the Afghan government, quickly advancing in front of the collapsing Afghan Armed Forces. By 12 July 2021, the Taliban had seized 139 districts from the Afghan National Army; according to a U.S. intelligence report, the Afghan government would likely collapse within six months after NATO completes its withdrawal from the country. According to The Washington Post, local militias in the north of the country have engaged in combat against the Taliban. Footage taken on 16 June and released on 13 July showed Taliban gunmen executing 22 Afghan servicemen who had been attempting to surrender.
President Joe Biden defended the withdrawal of U.S. troops, saying to trust “the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped and ... more competent in terms of conducting war.” On 21 July, the highest-ranking U.S. military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, reported that half of all districts in Afghanistan were under Taliban control and that momentum was “sort of” on the side with the Taliban.
It was reported by the UN Security Council in July 2021 that despite the withdrawal and the Taliban agreement, members of al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent are still present in as much as 15 Afghan provinces, and that they are operating under Taliban protection in Kandahar, Helmand and Nimroz provinces. My how history repeats itself.
wy69
“In my opinion your speculation is mistaken. It took the Taliban 20 years to get rid of us, and they aren’t stupid enough to provoke us like that.”
Hmm. Let’s see. For almost 8 of those years, Bush was president. He was no great shakes, but the Taliban knew they couldn’t get away with too much as long as he was president.
For 4 years, Trump was President.
Even under Obama, they were somewhat limited by the Republicans having Congress for many of his years as president, and it took him a little bit to switch out top military people for his own.
Now that Biden is president and the Demonrats hold Congress and together they are systematically going about destroying the United States, why would the Taliban be afraid of provoking us exactly?
If anything, Biden, China, the Mullahs in Iran, name another enemy, would pressure them to provoke us so that Biden can order the military into a suicide mission.
“...“night letter”...”
Pls, what’s that?
It may come sooner than you think.
Kabul International Airport, which has been rebuilt and expanded over the last 20 years.
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