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Lancet Correpondence: COVID-19 - stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified
LANCET Correspondence ^ | 11/20/2021 | Gunter Kampf

Posted on 12/13/2021 8:18:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated threaten the vaccinated for COVID-19”. But this view is far too simple.

There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.

In the USA, a total of 10 262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalised, and 160 (1·6%) died. In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals, and this proportion is increasing each week.

In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub.5 People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatising parts of the population for their skin colour or religion.

I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.

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5.Von Dolle F

Münster: Inzwischen 85 Infizierte nach 2G-Party im Club.

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Date: Sept 20, 2021

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covax; covid19; lancet; unvaccinated; vaccination

1 posted on 12/13/2021 8:18:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic.

This is a lie.

2 posted on 12/13/2021 8:23:15 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind
People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic.

I'm sorry - the bolded part is a lie.

3 posted on 12/13/2021 8:24:09 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

RE: I’m sorry - the bolded part is a lie.

Can you explain for us why you believe that being vaccinated does not lower the risk of getting severe illness from Covid ON AVERAGE? ....


4 posted on 12/13/2021 8:25:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If the alt-far-left and sheeple insist on attempting to stigmatize me for not taking the clot shot I’m going to unleash on them for being stupid enough to ruin their own bodies forever. A study just showed 3-6% MONTHLY loss of natural immune system for anyone taking those shots. That isn’t coming back. It’s gone for good. And it accumulates. You are the weakest link...goodbye.


5 posted on 12/13/2021 8:29:57 PM PST by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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To: SeekAndFind
Can you explain for us why you believe that being vaccinated does not lower the risk of getting severe illness from Covid ON AVERAGE? ....

Because there is not an alternate universe where you can observe the same individuals in an UNVACCINATED state catching covid, and comparing the outcome with the same VACCINATED individuals catching covid.

It's scientifically impossible.

Just because some white-coated biology parrots and their bureaucrat puppetmasters get on TeeVee and tell you that it's so doesn't make it so.

6 posted on 12/13/2021 8:34:46 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why do you think they're trying so hard to destroy the unvaxxed control groups in the vaccinated Western countries - yet they don't care a whit about Africa?

NOBODY CARES WHAT HAPPENS IN AFRICA, because the Brandon Media can bury that without breathing hard.

7 posted on 12/13/2021 8:37:57 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

RE: Because there is not an alternate universe where you can observe the same individuals in an UNVACCINATED state catching covid, and comparing the outcome with the same VACCINATED individuals catching covid.

We’re talking about SEVERE ILLNESS ( e.g., severe enough to be hospitalized or die ), not catching Covid ( I’m not interested in cases, they mean nothing ).

Isn’t it possible to count the number of patients hospitalized for Covid who are vaccinated and unvaccinated and do a statistical comparison?


8 posted on 12/13/2021 8:39:17 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 12/13/2021 8:39:31 PM PST by know.your.why (If you dont watch the MSM you are uninformed. If you do watch the MSM you are misinformed.)
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To: kiryandil

RE: NOBODY CARES WHAT HAPPENS IN AFRICA,

The problem is this — every time I bring up Africa ( or even states in India ), the inevitable response is — Africa and/or India are very poor third world countries that do not have the necessary medical infrastructure to count their Covid cases. Hence, any data that comes out from these countries are bound to be very inaccurate and suspect.

Heck, I even have FReepers give me this response.


10 posted on 12/13/2021 8:42:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Cathi; Unrepentant VN Vet; metmom; Fractal Trader; SecAmndmt; bagster; doc maverick; ...

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11 posted on 12/13/2021 8:46:47 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: SeekAndFind
Isn’t it possible to count the number of patients hospitalized for Covid who are vaccinated and unvaccinated and do a statistical comparison?

Not really, because that data in itself is garbage data, brought to you by the same people intercepting Ivermectin imports, and threatening medical doctors and pharmacies if they give access to therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin.

Garbage in, garbage out.

The only meaningful data is a direct comparison of the same individuals vaxxed and unvaxxed - which is impossible.

This is actual Science.

A secondary method of meaningful comparison would be a control group not interfered with by powerful people with a monetary stake in the outcome - another impossibility.

12 posted on 12/13/2021 8:46:49 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem is this — every time I bring up Africa ( or even states in India ), the inevitable response is — Africa and/or India are very poor third world countries that do not have the necessary medical infrastructure to count their Covid cases. Hence, any data that comes out from these countries are bound to be very inaccurate and suspect.

I think we'd notice piles of bodies.

As a matter of fact, THAT would be great for The Narrative.

13 posted on 12/13/2021 8:48:14 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind; ransomnote

Someone needs to show this to creep Frum.

$hot $hills heads exploding in 5, 4, 3, 2 ..... 🤯


14 posted on 12/13/2021 8:52:36 PM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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To: SeekAndFind
You post a lot of articles on this.

Don't you remember back in May of this year when the Brandon Media was getting all giddy about the covid death toll in India?

15 posted on 12/13/2021 8:57:10 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil; SeekAndFind
Can you explain for us why you believe that being vaccinated does not lower the risk of getting severe illness from Covid something / anything

Myocarditis? Pericarditis? Bueller?

Does getting vaxxed lower the risk of contracting those conditions?

People who voluntarily amputate both their legs lower their risk of spraining an ankle.

Regards,

16 posted on 12/13/2021 10:07:33 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
People who voluntarily amputate both their legs lower their risk of spraining an ankle.

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17 posted on 12/13/2021 11:06:58 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because since it’s known that the vax neither stops someone from getting nor transmitting Covid, they must have some reason to give people for why they should take the shot, and that one, that it reduces the risk of severe disease, is about the only option left.

I see it as simply justification for continuing to be able to push the vax. At least they can claim it does something as opposed to having to admit that it does nothing to help anyone.


18 posted on 12/13/2021 11:27:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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