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] Delayed Obituary ] Pierre Sprey, Pentagon analyst who battled brass to produce A-10 warplane, dies at 83
The Washington Times ^ | August 20, 2021 | Matt Schudel

Posted on 01/03/2022 9:48:55 AM PST by Widget Jr

Pierre Sprey, a 1960s Pentagon “whiz kid” who was a formidable intellectual force in military analysis and weapons development, often tangling with top defense officials to improve U.S. military readiness and weapons development, died Aug. 5 at his home in Glenn Dale, Md. He was 83.

The cause appeared to be a sudden heart attack, said his son, John Sprey.

The French-born Mr. Sprey (pronounced “spray”) was a multilingual polymath whose interests encompassed history, engineering and literature. A Baltimore Sun profile declared that he “may well be the most fascinating person you’ve never heard of.”

[ August 20, 2021 ]

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: a10; kartveli; sprey; sudden; unexpected
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In reality, Sprey wrote up the specification for the A-X program that became the A-10 Warthog while at the Office of the Secretary of Defense. After 1971 left the DOD to work as a recording engineer and as a military consultant.

It was Alexander Kartveli at Fairchild Aircraft who was the lead designer of the A-10. Kartveli lead the design of the P-47 Thunderbolt, F-84 Thunderjet, and F-105 Thunderchief during his career. He died in 1974 from a heart attack, two years after the A-10 first flew.

1 posted on 01/03/2022 9:48:55 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

Mmmmmmm. Warthogs. Me likey.


2 posted on 01/03/2022 9:50:36 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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fugly beautiful airplane


3 posted on 01/03/2022 9:54:19 AM PST by SteveH (.)
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4 posted on 01/03/2022 9:54:32 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Widget Jr

Kind of related: Morris Rosenthal, scientist who worked on a bunch of stuff from the Manhattan Project to the space shuttle and was a pal of Albert Einstein, recently died at age 97.


5 posted on 01/03/2022 9:55:30 AM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Widget Jr

Vietnam caught the USAF completely flat footed and the USAF had to buy Navy planes... Phantoms and A7s for ground attack. Even after that embarrassment they still tried to go back to their favorite hobby horse... air superiority and strategic bombers only. When I was in Nam the Navy and Marine support would come in low. The USAF planes were ordered to stay high.


6 posted on 01/03/2022 9:58:23 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Widget Jr

7 posted on 01/03/2022 10:00:46 AM PST by USMC79to83
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To: Widget Jr

The book about John Boys is interesting.

People take the main thrust of the book to be Boyd and the Fighter mafia fighting the generals.

There are many more lessons to be learned from that book.

The US Marines were at one point in time, big fans of Boyd.


8 posted on 01/03/2022 10:05:21 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: Widget Jr

The article is in Washington Times, not Washington Post, aka Washington Compost.


9 posted on 01/03/2022 10:08:35 AM PST by Kaslin (Joe Biden,All I am saying iss aka president Milk Carton)
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To: Widget Jr

So ugly they’re good lookin’. Love the A-10. Had ‘em at Davis Monthan AFB in Tucson. I was on the EC-130H Compass Call there way back 30 years ago. I used to give tours of the base. Civilians could sign up and meet near the main gate and we’d show up with a bus and take them around the base and into the AMARC back then (well before 9/11). We used to pass around a dummy round from the A-10. That opened some eyes.


10 posted on 01/03/2022 10:09:04 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: Seruzawa
When I was in Nam the Navy and Marine support would come in low. The USAF planes were ordered to stay high.

In fairness, it's right in their fight song....

Off we go into the wild blue yonder,
Climbing high into the sun

11 posted on 01/03/2022 10:09:16 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Widget Jr

Incredible plane. From what I understand it is a huge Gatling gun with wings attached.


12 posted on 01/03/2022 10:11:27 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Kaslin

Uh oh. My mistake.


13 posted on 01/03/2022 10:13:03 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: blueunicorn6

The biography of Boyd is indeed an excellent book. Apparently, Boyd was not a terribly likeable fellow. But he got a lot done and made real contributions in several areas. And certainly some people understood him and liked him well enough. Sprey was one of those people. RIP Mr. Sprey.


14 posted on 01/03/2022 10:13:16 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Mass hypnosis of society. So many people are blind to the Truth which is in front of them.)
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To: blueunicorn6

It is amusing that the A-10 came out of the same shop that gave us the F16 both aircraft that were optimized for the mission for which they were designed.


15 posted on 01/03/2022 10:14:13 AM PST by AndyJackson
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"...who was a formidable intellectual force in military analysis and weapons development, often tangling with top defense officials to improve U.S. military readiness and weapons development"

Atleast they tangled over weapons systems. Now, there is little tangling, and what hasn't been suppressed is about having trannies, satan worshippers, or BLM activists in the service.

16 posted on 01/03/2022 10:25:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Openurmind

Get it right, it’s a Gatlin gun attacked to a titanium tun with wings.


17 posted on 01/03/2022 10:27:45 AM PST by Spacetrucker (George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British - HE SHOT THEM .. WITH GUNS)
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To: Widget Jr

The P-51 of the modern era.


18 posted on 01/03/2022 10:28:59 AM PST by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: blueunicorn6
They were many who are not fans of the fighter mafia too. Other than that fighters needed to be able to dogfight, much of what they supported turned out to be wrong. Quantity over quality sounds nice, except they set their quality so low what they called for would never happen. That allowed many of them to have careers complaining about military hardware costing too much.

They also pushed for alternatives to the A-10 and F-15 after they were in service, as if the Air Force would just drop their new planes for cheaper and less capable replacements. There was no way that would happen.

They almost completely disregarded what the USSR was building. The Mig-23 first flew in 1967 and the Mig-29 and Su-27 flew in 1977. If the USSR was going toward more capable, more expensive, lower quantity designs, the USAF was not going to go in the other direction.

19 posted on 01/03/2022 10:29:44 AM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Spacetrucker

Yeah, pretty bad ass rig... :)


20 posted on 01/03/2022 10:30:41 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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