Posted on 01/10/2022 9:45:27 AM PST by ransomnote
I rely on expert opinions of people who I trust for certain issues like whether or not the virus has been “isolated.” It’s a reasonable approach if you are careful about which experts you trust.
All of the expert friends I’ve asked (including Robert Malone and Li-Meng Yan) tell me that “the virus has been isolated.” So it has been “isolated” according to their belief in what the term means.
Others interpret the term differently and would claim the virus hasn’t been isolated. In fact, according to their definition, no virus in history has ever been isolated.
Both sides are right because they define the term differently. It’s all semantics.
You can physically buy the virus in various forms (at ATCC and EVAg). If you have a BSL3 lab and a live virus, you can expose it to animals and they will get sick.
I knew my statement would light a fire before I wrote this. When I asked on my telegram channel “has the virus been isolated?” I received 295 comments which is around 10X more than normal.
When I posted this article on Telegram, it again lit up with 284 comments as of Jan 9.
Various commenters are calling each other flat earthers, etc.
The arguments go flying about double-blind studies to “prove” you got the right virus, the use (or misuse) of Koch’s postulates, whether Andrew Kaufman and Stefan Lanka are “for real” or “nut jobs,” whether the FOIA asks were contrived to elicit a null response, and what the definition of “isolation” really is (does it mean purified or not, for example).
If you watch this video at 4:00, you’ll see even virologists themselves don’t agree on the definition of “isolate.” Does it require purification or not? If we don’t agree on the terminology, there is no end to the arguments. And that’s exactly what we see on the chat. And it is why debating Kaufman and his collaborators is fruitless: each side will dig in on their own definitions and settle nothing.
These three articles are a good read:
No, German ‘supreme court’ didn’t rule that ‘measles doesn’t exist’
Report Falsely Claims US CDC ‘Admits COVID-19 Doesn’t Exist’
DontCoitusMyCOTUS (despite the colorful language) points out:
Andrew Kaufman, Stefan Lanka, Tom Cowen are misleading people with their arguments. Kaufman, for example, is a psychiatrist who admits he has never done virus research.
“Hysterical watching a <insults redacted> demand virus isolated to their imaginary specs and dismissing ATCC which is the world’s largest oldest and most important micro organism repository in the world.”
The FOIA document requests are a “stunt designed to fail”
“Virus not isolated”: the definition Kaufman, Cowan, etc. use is different than what scientists who publish papers on virus isolation use. This is why there is such disagreement on this question because different people interpret “has been isolated” differently.
If you search for “Isolation of Wuhan Virus” you’ll find many papers in PubMed and NIH in many countries with details on how isolation was done (for example this one and this one). You can see a TEM picture here. Here are more references.
ATCC 351 variant RNA for sale is not in culture.
MORE AT LINK Has the virus been isolated? Yes. (substack.com)
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Pharmaceuticals that have undergone years of testing at great expense ALL come with a boat load of downsides. And yet we are told that a “warp speed” “vaccine” is totally safe. Are you crazy, stupid or hypnotized? The only way you can believe that.
“why aren’t we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines?”
We did and continue to do so. Look up what a phase one trial is.
I’ve read they have never been able to test mRNA vaccines on animals because the vaccine kills the animals.
We’re the animals...and the carbon imprint.
So what does it look like?
The mRNA experiments that killed all test animals?
But the globalist left ARE doing animal testing...on us.
Well, some of us are still in the “control” group...
“And yet we are told that a ‘warp speed’ ‘vaccine’ is totally safe”
Not by the CDC or the makers
“The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine’s Local Reactions, Systemic Reactions, Adverse Events, and Serious Adverse Events”
“Reports of lymphadenopathy were imbalanced with 1.1 % of persons in the vaccine group and 0.6% in the placebo group reporting such events; lymphadenopathy is plausibly related to the vaccine. Lymphadenopathy occurred in the arm and neck region and was reported within 2 to 4 days after vaccination. The median duration of lymphadenopathy was 1 to 2 days. Bell’s palsy was reported by three vaccine recipients and one placebo recipient. One case of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group was considered a serious adverse event.”
“The most common serious adverse events occurring at higher rates in the vaccine group than the placebo group were myocardial infarction (5 cases in vaccine group vs. 3 cases in placebo group), cholecystitis (3 vs. 0), and nephrolithiasis (3 vs. 0).”
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/moderna/reactogenicity.html
Those comments I believe are for less than 3800 patients.
“Local Reactions, Systemic Reactions, Adverse Events, and Serious Adverse Events: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine”
“Reports of lymphadenopathy were imbalanced with 58 more cases in the vaccine group (64) than the placebo group (6); lymphadenopathy is plausibly related to the vaccine. Lymphadenopathy occurred in the arm and neck region and was reported within 2 to 4 days after vaccination. The average duration of lymphadenopathy was approximately 10 days. Bell’s palsy was reported by four vaccine recipients and none of the placebo recipients.”
“The most common serious adverse events in the vaccine group which were numerically higher than in the placebo group were appendicitis (7 in vaccine vs 2 in placebo), acute myocardial infarction (3 vs 0), and cerebrovascular accident (3 vs 1).”
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html
Those comments I believe are for less than 2000 patients.
The clinical trial myocardial infarction results are probably why full approval was not issued in 2020.
VACCINE DEATH ESTIMATING
Based on Michigan data, compare pre-Covid months with the peak Covid vaccination months:
Jan-Apr 2019 Heart Disease deaths
2306 2065 2232 1988
Jan-Apr 2021 Heart Disease deaths
2262 1997 2144 2122
https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/Provisional/MontlyDxCounts.asp
Jan-Apr 2019 Stroke deaths
444 386 480 422
Jan-Apr 2021 Stroke deaths
502 442 473 444
Covid vaccination didn’t cause mass death in Michigan.
“vaccine
any preparation of immunogenic material suitable for the stimulation of active immunity in animals without inducing disease....”
“Oxford Dictionary of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology”
“Print Publication Date: 2006”
Doing experiments on animals is of very limited value.
https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/chocolate-poisoning-in-dogs
I’ve read they have never been able to test mRNA vaccines on animals because the vaccine kills the animals.
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Essentially, that’s true. Sometimes they ‘sacrifice’ and examine (kill and dissect) the animals 2 days or so after exposure (when they test to see if vaccinated animals can indeed resist the pathogen) and find the lungs are diseased. Some who defend these ‘vaccines’ point to that as proof the animals didn’t die (they were killed).
The mRNA vaccines never delivered an animal vaccine and had never been tested on humans prior to Covid because of the awful results of the animal trial.
It’s such a devious lie - we can’t have Ivermectin or HCQ because the CDC lies and says it’s not proven beneficial, meanwhile they are forcing people to take a vax that has never been proven safe enough for animals.
Therein lies the issue. Immunity is being defined away.
Test case. Your small pox vaccination requires a second does and then a booster in the US, and then the public is told the “immunization” — their word “wanes,” all the while in Europe a second booster and perhaps third is being encouraged. How many injections of “immunogenic material” is/will be required to find “active immunity” all the while the immunity “wanes?”
When a medical issue becomes all about definitions and semantics and estimates and assumptions and anomalous data collection and reporting, the argument also “wanes.”
“....Unfortunately, the mice experienced harmful inflammation, and some died.
“After several more experiments Drs. Karikó and Weissman made a breakthrough. They found that modifying part of the mRNA eliminated inflammation. Also, encapsulating the mRNA in tiny lipid (fat) droplets created molecules that, instead of being cast out by the immune system, worked with it to fight disease.”
https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna
The longevity limitations of mRNA vaccines were known in October 2019 and disclosed in the leading scientific magazine Nature:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03072-8
Many people got flu shots annually in years past. There was not a never-ending birthing of “cows” as a result.
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer., Brian Griffin wrote: |
“....Unfortunately, the mice experienced harmful inflammation, and some died. “After several more experiments Drs. Karikó and Weissman made a breakthrough. They found that modifying part of the mRNA eliminated inflammation. Also, encapsulating the mRNA in tiny lipid (fat) droplets created molecules that, instead of being cast out by the immune system, worked with it to fight disease.” |
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Are you trying to portray that as a breakthrough that made the vaccines usable? That discovery was made in 2005 and the disastrous failures of the mRNA in every animal trial followed that. The history of problems with ADE and the mRNA followed the innovations you cite.
You are quoting Fauci’s NIAID division at the NIH, and its glossy, distorted portrayal of ‘nothing to see here, move along’.
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