Posted on 03/27/2022 7:52:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
We will probably never find boat artifacts that can prove this one way or the other.
From memory, the oldest identifiable boats are less than 3,000 years old.
Also, the Pacific coast of western North America 10,000-20,000 years ago has been under water for thousands of years after the glaciers melted, which has wiped out almost every trace of human artifacts.
“They walked north from the many several hundred thousand year old sites in South America.”
I think so too. I think they came by boat from both the North and the South. Fell’s cave in Tierra del Fuego is older than they will admit because it would change the official narrative and show that a southern migration is also very possible.
Both the Antarctic circumpolar ocean current and the wind currents travel due east right to Tierra del Fuego from both Australia and New zealand. The ocean current flows at .06 nautical miles an hour, and the wind is an average of 50 nautical miles an hour. This means without even needing to paddle, just floating like a bobber it would take less than 90 days to get from Australia to Tierra del Fuego. “But what would they eat???” Same thing the norther Inuit eat now. “What would they drink???” Melt ice just like the Inuit do now. “How did they make fire???” Blubber oil just like the Inuits do now.
Early man was just as intelligent and adaptive to survive polar conditions as the Inuit are now. So a Southern water crossing and migration is not at all impossible as they claim.
Africans invented them thousands of years ago.
White people stole them and gave them away to the rest of the world.
I wonder how much the comment in post #23 will affect my ESG score?
The boats don't have to be found to know that they were there. Flores Island has 800,000 year old artifacts, and during that interval there's never been a land link to the mainland.
Regardless, the oldest craft currently known is the 10,000 year old Pesse canoe.
Heh... Don't worry, the ESG scoring system isn't a actual system, it's a pretext.
the rest of the Beringia keyword:
And that’s not a bad thing, if geographically restricted. ;^)
Could have sworn that I read the article theorizing the big cats hunting humans created a migration bottleneck at the land bridge.
Maybe it was a link posted on a thread that led me there.
Anyway, I found it to be a plausible idea.
:^) There are those (who obviously have their own ethnic axes to grind) who claim "they" have always been here, that their ancestors were made in the Americas, and didn't come from anywhere else.
The problem of course is, Canada and the Arctic is known to have been repopulated by sea, probably during the centuries AD, and all the so-called 1st nations merely claim to have always lived where the current ones (and alleged ones) live. By and large that isn't true by a long shot.
A continuity of human navigation is a threat to that paradigm.
:^) Isolationism is and always has been a political construct, hence is analogous to more recent BS like COVID, AGW, "fact checking"...
The inland route never made any sense to me.
There’s this huge continent-wide ice sheet, maybe a mile or so thick across the upper half of North America, but there’s this nice, nifty, totally convenient for the narrative, ice-free passage for people and critters to get from Asia to North America?
And this nifty, totally convenient to the narrative gap in the massive ice walls, is itself bordered by massive ice walls, but vegetation grows thick and healthy enough to support the passage of migrating herds over thousands of miles, and it’s those herds that the “first” humans come to North America?
Uh huh.
Cool story, bro.
Thanks Grimmy, wholeheartedly agree.
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I’ve wondered about glacial ice mineral content or length of time frozen… density etc. related to its favorable performance in the beer cooler.
And if the grifters creating climate models ever went camping where glacial ice was all you had.
My first thought, exactly...😎
“There are those (who obviously have their own ethnic axes to grind) who claim “they” have always been here, that their ancestors were made in the Americas, and didn’t come from anywhere else.”
If they have a creation story then they obviously know they have not “always been there”. A more fair context would be “As long as we can remember we have always been here”. And if you have been in the same place for 13,000 years and do not actually remember how you got there “We have always been here” is a fair claim since they have no knowledge of any other reality. It would even be fair for the Norse to claim “We have always been here” based on what they remember. They have lost how they actually got there. So to the “best of their knowledge” it would be a fair claim to say “We have always been here”.
In reality in between the lines the big argument and controversy is “Did we displace anyone who was here before us.” The first Norse to the north did not, the first to Australia did not, the first to Japan did not, and the first to the Americas did not. These absolutely have a right to claim to be first without displacing someone because they were.
Yah. Dead giveaway for “we really don’t have a f**in idea, but if you give more $$ we’ll come up with more.”
Do any of these genius’ have any idea what happens to a ice sheet or glacier as it ends on land? It slopes. That is how yah get onto the top of a glacier. A 300’ impenetrable wall is BS.
Must have been written by those closeted in a blue city who think a central park is nature. Geesh.
The point is, they haven't even lived in the same place in the Americas for a particularly long time. The most valuable tales of the oral tradition (which is, for the most part, all they've got) are the ones describing how they came into an area whuppin' ass of whomever preceded them.
Their patterns of “thinking” indicated a long history of inebriation and probably they won’t be novices when they’re finally jailed for their various frauds.
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