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Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)
Explore North ^ | 8-12-2003 | Bill Jones

Posted on 08/11/2003 7:26:47 PM PDT by blam

Bye Bye, Beringia

Anthropology and Archaeology of The Americas
by Bill Jones

One might think that Archeology sites throughout the World have produced many datable human remains. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ancient human remains have so rarely been found that these singular findings could not be connected to others to form chronologies about human evolution.

The scarcity of human remains to be analyzed has prevented the sciences of Anthropology and Archaeology from forming conclusions about the cultural levels of ancient humans. We try to measure the culture of a people in terms of the totality of their socially developed behavior, their arts, crafts, tools, and language. As a result of scarcity of samplings, ancient humans have been generally classified in such terms as; savages, hunter-gatherers, roving bands, etc. This is especially so for the early inhabitants of the New World. Some recent discoveries shatter that prevailing picture of the ancient people of North America.

The Windover Site at Titusville, Florida 4,500 miles to the South and East of Beringia is the Windover Archaeology site. One of the so-called roving bands of hunters settled there to live. At Windover, more ancient human remains were discovered than the total of all others found previously in the New World, and they were the oldest. The Windover site produced the largest and oldest group of human remains, and most complete insight of an ancient culture ever found. The following quoted article tells of some astounding findings there. The following article was originally published on May 16, 1996 by The News Herald (Panama City, Florida), and is reprinted here with permission:

Archaeology finds new picture of Paleo Indians
By: Robert Suriano, Florida Today

Melbourne -- Food was plentiful in the lush land that was Broward County 8,000 years ago, making life good for the people who buried their dead in a shallow pond near Titusville. They walked the ground between the site of today's Walt Disney World and the Space Coast, hunting white-tailed deer and bobcat among the pine and oak trees. They fished for bass and sunfish or scooped up turtles, frogs, and snakes. Their primary job -- filling their stomachs -- took only about two hours each day, leaving plenty of time for making jewelry from bones and seeds or weaving clothing from the leaves of sabal palm.

That is a richly detailed picture that continues to emerge today of the Paleo-Indians, whose watery burial ground was discovered in 1982 during construction of a housing project off State road 405. Known worldwide as the Windover Archaeological Site, more than a decade of research from that dig is challenging previous notions about these people of the distant past.

"They enjoyed a good lifestyle, said Glen Doran, the Florida State University archaeologist who oversaw the Windover excavation that lasted from 1984 to 1986. "Life was a little easier than it even may have been a few thousand years later. You had a a lot of different resources packed pretty densely into this area within a few kilometers walk in any direction. Clearly, this was a good place to be."
And so it remains for Fran and William Hinson and child, 12 year old Hilary, who play in the yard that borders the burial site, now a National Historic Landmark.

"I was intrigued with their level of civilization," she said. "They exhibited a civilization far beyond what had been previously believed that ancient Indians in North America and Florida would have shown." The Windover site, named for the sprawling rural housing development that surrounds it, bore archaeological treasures that amazed experts with their quality and quantity.

*Skeletal remains of 169 people, split almost evenly between males and females, ranging from 6 to 70 years old. About 75 of the skeletons were relatively intact.

*90 intact human brains that include the oldest DNA samples in the World.
*Artifacts of wood, bone, and seed that were made into jewelry and tools, providing insight into the ancient peoples' lives.
*Tests showed the oldest skeletons were buried 8,100 years ago. The youngest was placed in the ground 6,900 years ago.
"To put this into context," Doran said, "these people had already been dead for 3,000 or 4,000 years before the first stones were laid for the Egyptian pyramids!"
They were lean and robust, most likely a copper-skinned people. The tallest man stood 5 feet and 6 inches tall. The average woman was 5 feet and 2 inches.
Like all people of their time, about 6,000 BC, they kept moving in a yearly pattern that followed the most ample sources of food. For this group that meant walking the land between the St Johns River and the Ocean.
They had risen above the subsistence level, giving them time to do things not typically associated with early people.
But they were not free from human hostility. The remains of a 29 year old male show a deep wound in the buttocks, probably caused by an antler. The injury is such that Doran thinks it was caused by a human wielding the antler in anger. He says that the wound is counter to previously stated views of these people as passive. Most of the other skeletal remains showed signs of long festering infections that likely brought natural deaths during a time before antibiotics and medicine. But overall, the group appeared to be healthy. They had triumphed over the rigors of daily life.

"Relative to a lot of other populations at this time period, these folks were relatively well off." Doran said. A sign of their wealth is the cloth that was found among the bodies, the oldest cloth ever found in the Western hemisphere.

"This cloth will set the example," Doran said. It is rare that fabric textiles even 1,000 years old are preserved in the United States."
*All told, 87 cloth fragments from an estimated 67 complete items were recovered from the dig. The cloth was made from the leaves of sabal palm. The pieces reveal five different methods of fabric making, all without benefit of a loom. Even so, some fabrics are woven as tightly as a cotton T-shirt. Others are made more loosely twined into blankets, capes, and toga-like garments.

*Some skeletons were found with especially fine cloth, suggesting some of the dead enjoyed a special status, but not necessarily a society of kings and paupers. In addition to the cloth, artifacts of bone and wood were found among some of the skeletons. They include a wooden pestle and a paddle, perhaps used to pound plant fibers for weaving; a small hammer, needles made from deer antler, and the bones of manatees, rabbits, and fish.

If the number and quality of skeletal remains at the site caught the attention of archaeologists, an added discovery in 1984 caused great excitement.

*They found one skull that contained a soft, greasy, lard like substance. Doran scooped the material out and stored it in the refrigerator of his Cocoa apartment before sending it to a laboratory for chemical analysis. He guessed that it could be anything from slime mold to brain tissue.
"Organic matter," was the laboratory analysis. The material had decayed too much for the tests to determine whether it was human brain tissue.

A second chance came in December. Archaeologists found another skull with the substance inside. This time they sent the entire skull to the University of Florida laboratory in Gainesville, where molecular biologist, William Hauswirth and his colleagues were waiting. Instead of spooning out the material. Hauswirth removed the rear portion of the skull and tilted it. A shrunken but intact human brain slid out! Over time, the organ had lost mass and its tissue had mixed with peat, but the softball-sized matter was clearly a brain.
*By the end of the excavation, 91 brains were recovered. Ninety of them, minus the first that was not salvaged, are stored in the pathology freezer at Sands Hospital in Gainesville.
Although brain tissue has been discovered before, this was the first time that intact human brains had been preserved. Even while the bodies' other soft tissues deteriorated, the brains were secure in the safest place in the body, the skull.
"The crania is well designed to protect your brain while you are living," Doran said. "The end result is that it protects it when your are dead too."
The brains hold a frozen gold mine of genetic information in the form of DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid. While Doran said he thinks older human DNA has been recovered elsewhere in the World, so much of the genetic material never has been isolated from a single group of people.

Hauswirth said it contains genetic markers, or specific segments of DNA that are affiliated with one small subset of modern American Indians. This suggests that the Windover people did not reproduce with people from other groups, a finding that again challenges previous assumptions.

A New Culture Model for the Ancients

The primary significance of Windover is the seeming sophisticated culture of these people who lived there 8,100 years ago and before. Windover dates an advanced culture in North America that precedes any previously discovered anywhere else in the World. Their egalitarian culture paints a new picture of ancient people of the Americas. Until now, the model of ancient peoples pictured roving bands of hunters, grunting semi-savages, having no culture to speak of. Of course, the 4,700 BP pyramid builders of Egypt had advanced further in terms of architectural achievements and they had pictograph symbols to convey meaning, but they came along 3,400 years after the Windover people. Windover revealed a culture of people in the New World, twice as old as the Egyptian culture. Of course, there are artful paintings of animals and symbols in caves that are attributed to the Neanderthals, but little else to associate with Culture.

Now we know that 8,000 years ago, the Windover people wove fine cloth.; They buried their dead ceremonially. They cared for each other; by indulging and taking care of the handicapped. And they adorned the bodies of their dead with fine clothing, placing them in special positions that were spiritual to them, and things that would be useful in an after life were buried with them.

Logic places them in Florida for quite some time before they buried their dead in that peat bog. How long?; 1000 years? 5000? Could the ancestors of the Windover people have been the Clovis of New Mexico 11,000 years ago? Time, distance, and logic says not. The Windover people might be the ancestors of the Seminoles. They might be related to other Paleo Indian cultures of North America, past and present. There is sufficient human DNA to find out. The ancient human DNA is of such quality as to allow genetic cloning, or to make comparisons with present living ethnic groups, or to test kinship with other ancient peoples. But the latter would require usable DNA, and this treasure trove seems to be the oldest group of human DNA ever found anywhere in the World. Also, the artifacts collection has an abundance of the oldest fabrics ever found in the Western hemisphere... 8,000 year old cloth woven as fine as in a cotton t-shirt! At first it was thought that the clothing was hand woven, but that does seem to be possible. They must have used some sort of apparatus, a loom, to weave such fine cloth.


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KEYWORDS: acrossatlanticice; archaeology; beringia; brain; brucebradley; bye; clovis; dennisstanford; fl; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; preclovis; precolumbian; solutreans
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IMO, skeletons, in the Americas, that are older than 6,000 years old should be classified as Paleo-American instead of Paleo-Indian. There are no American Indian/Native Americans (as we know then today) skeletons ever found in the Americas that are older than 6,000 year old, previous to this date, the people were someone else.
1 posted on 08/11/2003 7:26:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: shamusotoole; farmfriend; RightWhale
I was directed to this article by FReeper Shamusotoole, enjoy.
2 posted on 08/11/2003 7:28:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; carenot; freedom9; FreeLibertarian; Little Bill; Little Ray; lizma; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

3 posted on 08/11/2003 7:29:52 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
Bulldoze it, out with the old, in with the new!
4 posted on 08/11/2003 7:36:33 PM PDT by xrp
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To: xrp
"Bulldoze it, out with the old, in with the new!"

I believe there are apartment houses presently sitting on the site.

5 posted on 08/11/2003 7:44:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: farmfriend
The Windover Archaeological Research Project
6 posted on 08/11/2003 7:48:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Bottom line: Why can't we leave leave p.c. out of this? Why can't we just search for the truth?

It's pretty obvious now, modern man has totally underestimated early man. But we remain so sactimonious. That's down right silly.
7 posted on 08/11/2003 8:02:38 PM PDT by lizma
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To: blam
Their primary job -- filling their stomachs -- took only about two hours each day, leaving plenty of time for making jewelry from bones and seeds or weaving clothing from the leaves of sabal palm.

Hm, add in a couple of sessions of Hip-Hop and 8,000 years doesn't sound like very long at all.

8 posted on 08/11/2003 8:08:14 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: shamusotoole
This looks like Doran's FSU web site on the Windover dig. It looks like he is working with the Japanese and comparing these skeletons to the Jomons of Japan

Research At Windover

"Osteologists look at metric and nonmetric features of skeletal material from different groups and use this information to attempt to understand population similarities and differences within an evolutionary and adaptive framework. The search for other early (pre-6000 BP year old samples) has led Doran to Japan which also has substantial collections of early human skeletal material.Ê "


9 posted on 08/11/2003 8:18:19 PM PDT by blam
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10 posted on 08/11/2003 8:29:34 PM PDT by blam
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11 posted on 08/11/2003 8:33:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Good article, Blam. That's the advantage of a burial site with little oxygen!

Coast of California has material that old and older, but so far no single cemetery of this magnitude. But, our oldest individual is a pretty-well confirmed 13,400 years (several lines of evidence). No DNA yet, but they are still trying.

The theory which is emerging supports a coastal migration to get around the glaciers in Alaska and Canada, followed much later by the ice-free corridor. It may have been closed or with little vegetation ca. 24,000 - 12,000 years ago or so.

Of course, the coastal migration followed the coast, and DNA from Bella Coola to Chumash (near Alaska to southern California) looks like it is supporting the theory.

12 posted on 08/11/2003 8:49:41 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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"Coast of California has material that old and older, but so far no single cemetery of this magnitude. But, our oldest individual is a pretty-well confirmed 13,400 years (several lines of evidence). No DNA yet, but they are still trying."

Yup. That would be Arlington Springs Woman, I don't think they'll find DNA from this woman.

13 posted on 08/11/2003 8:56:55 PM PDT by blam
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"Of course, the coastal migration followed the coast, and DNA from Bella Coola to Chumash (near Alaska to southern California) looks like it is supporting the theory."

That is the popular theory at present. The same seems to be shaping up for the Atlantic coast also, The tools being found at the Topper and Cactus Hill sites in Pennsylvania and South Carolina are consistent with tools from the Iberian Area for the same period, 12-20,000 years ago.

...and then, we have the Australians shoving in down in South America, First Americans Were Australians

Time will tell.

14 posted on 08/11/2003 9:14:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: lizma
The First Americans
15 posted on 08/11/2003 9:18:21 PM PDT by blam
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oooo, please add me! thanks!
16 posted on 08/11/2003 9:19:33 PM PDT by ellery
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To: lizma
Bottom line: Why can't we leave leave p.c. out of this? Why can't we just search for the truth?

It's pretty obvious now, modern man has totally underestimated early man. But we remain so sactimonious. That's down right silly.

Sanctity has nothing to do with it. Follow the money, my friend, follow the money.

17 posted on 08/11/2003 9:21:51 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: shamusotoole
I've decided the reason this site hasn't gotten the attention that was afforded with 'The Iceman' and Kennewick Man is because Doran (the archaeologist) hasn't put a 'face' on these people.
He should choose a female, male and some children skulls and have someone reconstruct their faces. Shoot, he could call them The Windover Family. That would picque popular interest.
18 posted on 08/11/2003 9:31:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: ellery
please add me!

Will do. And you are welcome.

19 posted on 08/11/2003 9:53:14 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: ellery
Images Of Ancient America
20 posted on 08/12/2003 7:13:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: Sabertooth
Old stuff, over here.
21 posted on 08/12/2003 8:11:45 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I concur that the "Windover Family" needs to be "Humanized."

I will also add, for all, that I have been in contact with Bill Jones, the author of the above main article. He is a retired USAF Officer (1950-'73) who lives in Alaska, a real hotbed of archaeological discovery, and who is very interested in pre-Columbian America. He also did something that puts him high in my esteem. He called me (at age 60)"a young guy." He also gave me some links that I haven't tried yet, that I will check out and pass along.
22 posted on 08/12/2003 9:17:01 AM PDT by shamusotoole
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"He also gave me some links that I haven't tried yet, that I will check out and pass along."

I've looked at most of those links but, I still can't get the VJRI (Vendy Jones Research Institute) link to work, others are interesting.

23 posted on 08/12/2003 9:22:40 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
the oldest group of human DNA ever found anywhere in the World


24 posted on 08/12/2003 9:25:37 AM PDT by Spruce
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'Iceman' Was Murdered, Science Sleuths Say
25 posted on 08/12/2003 9:42:31 AM PDT by blam
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To: Spruce

That is clearly not human.

26 posted on 08/12/2003 9:49:53 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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27 posted on 08/12/2003 10:06:16 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to your ping list, thanks.
28 posted on 08/12/2003 10:17:28 AM PDT by Eva
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29 posted on 08/12/2003 10:46:59 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: blam
Good article. I was watching a special on the pyramids a few months ago and I guess they now think that the first one may be 10,000+ years old.

We seem to learn more and more everyday about the past.
30 posted on 08/12/2003 11:10:23 AM PDT by zx2dragon (I could never again be an angel... Innocence, once lost, can never be regained.)
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to ping list.
31 posted on 08/12/2003 11:25:38 AM PDT by Slicksadick
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"The injury is such that Doran thinks it was caused by a human wielding the antler in anger. He says that the wound is counter to previously stated views of these people as passive."

"(They) cared for each other; by indulging and taking care of the handicapped."

Where's the evidence that proves this?

Why do anthropologists always seem to assume that ancient cultures are peaceful and egalitarian? Time after time, they find out they were wrong when they later discover signs of warfare, human sacrifice, cannibalism, slavery, or so forth. I don't understand why they even make such prognostications......

32 posted on 08/12/2003 12:11:32 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: farmfriend
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

Please add me. New information on ancient subjects is not to be missed.

33 posted on 08/12/2003 12:25:48 PM PDT by Mackey
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"Why do anthropologists always seem to assume that ancient cultures are peaceful and egalitarian? Time after time, they find out they were wrong when they later discover signs of warfare, human sacrifice, cannibalism, slavery, or so forth. I don't understand why they even make such prognostications......"

Check out the chart in post #11. People need help to get that old. The spike a 50 really suprises me.
Also, they can judge from the bones how crippling arthritis and other diseases must have been for some.
Kennewick Man suffered terribly with his injuries, the stone arrow in his hip festered and ran of pus for years, he died about 45 years of age.

34 posted on 08/12/2003 12:36:21 PM PDT by blam
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Dr Robert Schoch On The Age Of The Sphinx
35 posted on 08/12/2003 12:43:38 PM PDT by blam
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Consider yourself added. Thanks.
36 posted on 08/12/2003 1:26:26 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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Consider yourself added.
37 posted on 08/12/2003 1:32:33 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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Consider yourself added. Thanks.
38 posted on 08/12/2003 1:33:33 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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I should have checked the list a head of time. I keep finding people who want to be added. Consider yourself added.
39 posted on 08/12/2003 1:44:41 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
I wish they would stop assuming that every ancient culture with any organization was "egalitarian". It causes them to overlook all sorts of things -- like evidence of homicides.
40 posted on 08/12/2003 1:54:41 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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I don't understand why they even make such prognostications......

Because the basis of leftist ideology is that people are good in their natural state and culture ruins them. They project this on to archaeological finds. Read the intro to Lawrence Keeley's War Before Civilization on Amazon (buy the book, too, but you can read the intro for free). His story about "fortifications" and "enclosures" is quite interesting.

41 posted on 08/12/2003 1:57:50 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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"I wish they would stop assuming that every ancient culture with any organization was "egalitarian". It causes them to overlook all sorts of things -- like evidence of homicides."

Take a look at the chart in post #11, I suspect the spike (deaths) around the age 15-25 were the result of violent activity. Also, see below.

"The remains of a 29 year old male show a deep wound in the buttocks, probably caused by an antler. The injury is such that Doran thinks it was caused by a human wielding the antler in anger. He says that the wound is counter to previously stated views of these people as passive."

42 posted on 08/12/2003 4:03:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: farmfriend; shamusotoole; Mackey; SW6906; zx2dragon; Coyoteman; lizma
There is a program titled, 'Secrets Of The Bog People: Windover', about this site in Florida. It is coming up on The Learning Channel at 11:00PM(CST) tonight. I caught about 10 minutes of the last showing, looks real good. The Preliminary DNA results are EUROPEAN!! There is also a reconstructed face of a woman.

I encourage all to see this.

farmfriend, will you please ping everyone who may be interested, thanks.

43 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Damn, I gotta get cable.

I'm not surprised at the DNA match.

Ever since the red-head showed up in Siberia, it seemed pretty obvious that modern man has underestimated "pre-modern" man as his motility (and abilities).

44 posted on 08/14/2003 7:54:19 PM PDT by lizma
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To: lizma
"Damn, I gotta get cable."

Get a satellite dish. I've had one for years, love it.

45 posted on 08/14/2003 8:06:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: lizma
In Michael Cremo's book "The Hidden History of the Human Race" (an abridged version is called "Forbidden Archeology", or maybe I have the titles mixed up - one is abridged because the footnotes were so extensive) - he cites an archeologist finding remains of human habitation and activity in strata around 20,000 year old. She wound up being black balled and had her career ruined because that date did not fit in with the elites' view of human habitation in the Americas. I think it was in Mexico. Check out his book if you're interested in evidence of very ancient humans! (www.mcremo.com)
46 posted on 08/14/2003 8:31:55 PM PDT by First Amendment
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Isn't A. West now pushing for the Sphinx to be around 15,000 years old ... the original, pre-Egyptian recarve Sphinx, the one Bauval says was carved to face the rising Leo of 15,000 years ago (I may have that date wrong ... precession date for Leo rising just before sunrise)?
47 posted on 08/14/2003 8:39:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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"Isn't A. West now pushing for the Sphinx to be around 15,000 years old ... the original, pre-Egyptian recarve Sphinx, the one Bauval says was carved to face the rising Leo of 15,000 years ago (I may have that date wrong ... precession date for Leo rising just before sunrise)?"

Don't know about that. But, Dr Robert Schoch (Geologist/geophysist), the brains they recruited, has only said 9,000 years old. Schoch wrote his own book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders.

48 posted on 08/14/2003 8:56:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
As a geologist, Schoch gave hard reasoning to the erosion of the Sphinx enclosure. Anthony West is no slouch when it comes to science. His theory is interesting however, to me, because it posits advanced cultures in Africa during and even before the last ice age. There seems to be evidence of such ancient cultures even in South America, so I'm intrigued by the possibility that advanced cultures have so thoroughly dissapeared in twenty thousand or less years. Perhaps the megalithic remains off Okinawa will be connected to such a period during or prior to the last ice age. I regularly read up from Hancock's, Bauval's, and West's websites. The pix from Graham Hancock's wife (Santha Faiia) are neat, also.
49 posted on 08/15/2003 6:44:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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"Perhaps the megalithic remains off Okinawa will be connected to such a period during or prior to the last ice age."

I saw a one hour documentary about the Okinawa site, Schoch donned scuba gear and inspected the site. He said it was a natural formation and pointed out that there were similar structures on land a short distance away.
He was generous with his closing disposition by saying that humans 'may have tampered' with these natural structures before they went underwater.

In his most recent book (Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders), he said that from what he has seen so far of the underwater structures off the coast of Cuba that they are probably natural structures also.

50 posted on 08/15/2003 7:26:13 AM PDT by blam
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