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The Kerch Bridge is on Fire
@KyleWOrton ^ | 107/2022 | Kyle Orton

Posted on 10/07/2022 8:57:17 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

Breaking: The Kerch Bridge, which connects occupied Crimea to Russia, is on fire.

(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...


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To: Dr. Franklin; AZJeep; marcusmaximus; pierrem15; dennisw; UMCRevMom@aol.com; PIF; ought-six; ...

There are definitely reports of angry organized Russian groups derailing train cars carrying weapons and troops. A figure of 80 incidents was mentioned. Putin was proud of finally getting this 100 year project finished. It goes across the Kersh Peninsula which leads to Russia on the south side of the Sea of Azov. I did some research on the whole bridge project.

I have a negotiating proposal for getting Russia out of Crimea without a lot more fighting and destruction. Allow Russia to rent it’s current port facilities after all their warships, airplanes, military supplies, and soldiers are removed, and then permit use for commercial shipping. This would answer Russia’s desire for a warm water port and provide income to Ukraine. Also allow Russian tourists to cross the bridge with paying a modest toll. Currently there is none. Many Ukranians have left Crimea, and many Russians have moved in. Legal measures to correct ownership would be and important part of any settlement.

Of course Russia should leave Crimea and all other occupied locations in Ukraine. However, offering Putin some credit for bringing this project to completion might sooth his ego enough to allow civil negotiations. This is the longest bridge in Europe. It has 4 traffic lanes and 2 rail lines. It took more than a hundred years of off and on planning and negotiating to get it built. Prehaps Putin could be persuaded to negotiate in order to get public credit for doing one good big thing in his lifetime.

Just a thought. Other negotiating ideas needed too.


41 posted on 10/07/2022 10:38:34 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority! .)
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To: marcusmaximus
Good news! The Ukrainian army is having a difficult time around Bakhmut, though.

[Map]
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1578539094157631488?s=20&t=k6EBIMKX8EoHIt_nMO0gLA


The Russian army is taking advantage of the Starlink shutdown/malfunction.

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1578539094157631488?s=20&t=WuglUF-0kzjWlVIbeOG50w

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Tweet from Republican Representative Adam Kinzinger:

Adam Kinzinger🇺🇦🇺🇸✌️
@AdamKinzinger
Evidently the Starlink system is down over the front lines of Ukraine.
@elonmusk
should make a statement about this, or, this should be investigated. This is a national security issue
11:26 AM · Oct 7, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1578421576428490752?s=20&t=H0TAfMKbvNTB9J8_Otap_A
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What's on the minds of many is, "Could the Starlink gift have been a trojan horse?" And check this out.

After Russia-Ukraine plan, Musk offers proposal to resolve China-Taiwan tensions
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4099085/posts

42 posted on 10/07/2022 10:41:09 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: gleeaikin

What about the idea for Americans to leave Texas and generously donate all their property to poor Mexican families?


43 posted on 10/07/2022 10:41:30 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: pierrem15; Paladin2; All

The reason the Twin Towers fell on 9/11 was because the insullation covering the structural steel had been knocked/scraped off and the steel became brittle and crumbled from the raging fire. My architect brother told me this 20 years ago.


44 posted on 10/07/2022 10:42:42 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority! .)
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To: DannyTN

45 posted on 10/07/2022 10:42:54 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Theoria
Nelson Haha deutsch
46 posted on 10/07/2022 10:47:11 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: marcusmaximus
[Couple of corrections here.]

Good news!

But the Ukrainian army is having a difficult time around Bakhmut. The Russian army is taking advantage of the Starlink shutdown/malfunction.

[Map]

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1578539094157631488?s=20&t=DGHEEra2YrTLvRczb4Khzw

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tweet from Republican Representative Adam Kinzinger:

Adam Kinzinger🇺🇦🇺🇸✌️
@AdamKinzinger
Evidently the Starlink system is down over the front lines of Ukraine.
@elonmusk
should make a statement about this, or, this should be investigated. This is a national security issue
11:26 AM · Oct 7, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1578421576428490752?s=20&t=H0TAfMKbvNTB9J8_Otap_A
+++++++++++++++++++


What's on the minds of many is, "Could the Starlink gift have been a trojan horse?" And check this out.

After Russia-Ukraine plan, Musk offers proposal to resolve China-Taiwan tensions
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4099085/posts

47 posted on 10/07/2022 10:48:54 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop

Musk is Kompromised.


48 posted on 10/07/2022 10:49:52 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Dr.Deth

Then wouldn’t precision-capable NATO have struck the apex portion of the bridge that would be the most difficult to repair? I don’t think NATO did anything.


49 posted on 10/07/2022 10:50:31 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: Scrambler Bob

“A fire can heat the bridge steel, weakening it to the point of collapse”

How the World Trade Center towers came down.


50 posted on 10/07/2022 10:50:37 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Zhang Fei

51 posted on 10/07/2022 10:51:17 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: gleeaikin

The insulation is a gunk like substance that gets sprayed directly on the steel. When it dries you can pull chunks off with your hand. A plane hitting a tall building will no doubt shake a lot of that stuff off and whatever is left won’t be enough fire protection. I was a NYC ironworker.


52 posted on 10/07/2022 10:51:50 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Zhang Fei

“ This is a belated birthday present Putin won’t soon forget.”

He can help rebuild the bridge with the tractor he got.


53 posted on 10/07/2022 10:53:43 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: laplata

I was thinking “Hogan’s Heros”.


54 posted on 10/07/2022 10:53:57 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

55 posted on 10/07/2022 10:54:16 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Zhang Fei

Why do you people always confuse commenting about excessive propaganda polluting the forum every day with supporting Russia?

Every one of you does that. Is it something they teach in training?

You’ll find plenty of comments from me about you people spamming the forum at such volume that it overwhelms the news feed at certain times a day. And I’ll keep commenting on that.

You’d be hard-pressed to find any posts from me supporting Russia, but propagandists are going to propagandize, I suppose. Don’t let the truth get in your way.


56 posted on 10/07/2022 10:55:15 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Theoria

57 posted on 10/07/2022 10:57:40 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

gleeaikin: [There are definitely reports of angry organized Russian groups derailing train cars carrying weapons and troops. A figure of 80 incidents was mentioned.]


It’s certainly a possibility. It’s also possible Putin will withdraw from Ukraine, as a goodwill gesture to his Slavic brethren, to resume hostilities at some later date in order to deal with his internal enemies now instead of frittering away the resources needed in Ukraine. He can always come back later, now that he knows his military machine isn’t what he thought it was. Once the EU gets back in bed with him as Frau Merkel wants, he’ll have plenty of time and money to rebuild his war machine with the knowledge gained from operations in Ukraine. And all he did was get rid of obviously inferior platforms, and gain a far better understanding of the requirements of 21st century warfare.

Segments of EU pols are clamoring to normalize ties with Russia. The moment he pulls out, those voices will gain strength. You might think I’m being too cynical. As Lily Tomlin once opined - no matter how cynical you get, it’s never enough to keep up.


58 posted on 10/07/2022 10:58:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: marcusmaximus

Russian Government claiming a truck blew up on the bridge.


59 posted on 10/07/2022 10:59:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: marcusmaximus

Godzilla being roused to action in Ukraine? Excellent ...


60 posted on 10/07/2022 11:03:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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