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Ron Paul in 1998: FBI Was Designed To Spy On Americans Who Disagreed With Foreign Policy
Real Clear Politics ^ | August 9, 2022 | Ian Schwartz

Posted on 07/07/2023 8:15:55 AM PDT by Angelino97

Former Rep. Ron Paul speaks speaks about the FBI in 1998:

"For most of our history we didn't have those institutions. The FBI came in during the First World War and interestingly enough, the one thing Woodrow Wilson did he used the FBI to spy on American citizens and actually arrest them if they disagreed with his foreign policy about going to war in Europe.

Isn't it interesting how recently they used it in the Vietnam era? Democrats used it then. Republicans used the FBI to spy on 100 different groups in this country, including the churches who disagree with the policy in Central America. It almost looks like the FBI was designed to spy on Americans who disagreed with policy, especially the foreign policy."

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KEYWORDS: alternatehistory; fbi; ronpaul; whypostthiscrap
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1 posted on 07/07/2023 8:15:55 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

yep. The neoCONs and the colluding media convinced us that a freedom loving man like Ron Paul was a ‘nut’; when in fact he was the patriot we needed.

Instead, we got traitors and lunatics like mccain and romney and the bush family etc.


2 posted on 07/07/2023 8:31:48 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: imabadboy99

Well, we have his son in the Senate, who happens to be my own personal favorite for Majority Leader in the next congress. :)


3 posted on 07/07/2023 8:33:58 AM PDT by OKSooner ("Oh, the mad fools!")
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To: Angelino97

“For most of our history we didn’t have those institutions. The FBI came in during the First World War and interestingly enough, the one thing Woodrow Wilson did he used the FBI to spy on American citizens and actually arrest them if they disagreed with his foreign policy about going to war in Europe.”

Paul is wrong to say the FBI “was designed to spy on Americans”. That conspiratorial idea is not compatible with the history of the development out of the Justice Department that became the FBI, even if “spying on Americans” became a consequence of unchecked authority the DOJ put on the FBI.

Maybe an idea would be to separate the FBI from the DOJ, making it less of a handmaiden of the politically biased DOJ, while demanding the DOJ must rely on it’s investigatory services. I have always found corruption in all our policing at all levels has arisen with investigators the handmaidens of the prosecutors. Investigations are twisted to give the prosecutors what they want.


4 posted on 07/07/2023 8:38:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: imabadboy99

My recollection is that they infiltrated organizations Congress had labeled as “subversive.” Some were pure communist, some were anarchists dynamiting court houses and the such, and all violently opposed to any type of authority be it parental, pastor or police.


5 posted on 07/07/2023 8:40:49 AM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: Angelino97

He was ahead of his time before the base caught on completely to the neocon agenda.


6 posted on 07/07/2023 8:49:10 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Wuli
Maybe an idea would be to separate the FBI from the DOJ,

Yeah, that's the ticket. Deny the root cause of the problem and then propose another useles goverment reorignization that will provide cover that the probem is being fixed while actually changing nothing FBI report to AG or FBI reporting to the white house is a one step change that changes nothing.

One would almost be led to believe that you are carrying water for the deepstate if we didn't know better.

7 posted on 07/07/2023 8:50:05 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Angelino97

Walls need to be built between the FBI and greedy hungry politicians (of both parties) who want power ‘the easy way’...


8 posted on 07/07/2023 8:50:44 AM PDT by GOPJ (Stop 'gun violence' by stopping and incarcerating criminals.)
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To: Kazan

The true libertarian holds any augmentation in the authority any government bureaucracy immediately suspect, that being an inherrent evil while the good that might to is likely fleeting and certainly temporary.


9 posted on 07/07/2023 8:55:02 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

“Deny the root cause of the problem”

And that “root cause” is????


10 posted on 07/07/2023 9:02:56 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Angelino97

There should be no FBI, period. Start with the Counterintelligence unit. Its only purpose is to spy on Americans, including Trump.

It’s too corrupt to fix. Send the decent agents to the US Marshals. Fire everyone else. Knock their HQ down. Salt the dirt.


11 posted on 07/07/2023 9:31:57 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (The President has been bribed for 30 years. WHO ELSE in government has been bribed?!?)
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To: Wuli

“And that “root cause” is????”

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Remove power.


12 posted on 07/07/2023 9:37:20 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: AndyJackson
Libertarians. Don't make me laugh.

Freedom to murder the unborn. (Women’s “Liberation.” Liberation = Liberty = Libertarian.)

Freedom of access to all narcotics, including marijuana; vending machine drugs. (More faux “liberty” which leads to addiction which is slavery which is the antithesis of liberty. Idiots.)

Freedom of all sexual perversion. Legalized (liberated) prostitution, liberated homosexuality, lesbian, etc. By extension and ultimately, pedophilia and beastiality. That’s logic 101.

Freedom to pass across borders without paperwork (open borders). I.e., unfettered illegal immigration (which is what we have now). And those libertarian fools don't think we see through their facade.

The list of libertarian insanity goes on, and on, and……………they have no business on a conservative site.

Libertarians perfectly dovetail America hating communists and are in no way, shape or form, conservative.

13 posted on 07/07/2023 9:38:16 AM PDT by LouAvul (Daniel 4:17: "..the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will.." )
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To: Angelino97

American Protective League

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Protective_League


14 posted on 07/07/2023 9:39:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: LouAvul

A caroon version of libertarianism has taken over your brain and is distorting rational thought. There is a difference between liberatarians and libertines.


15 posted on 07/07/2023 9:42:57 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Wuli

“Paul is wrong to say the FBI “was designed to spy on Americans”. That conspiratorial idea is not compatible with the history of the development out of the Justice Department that became the FBI”

Yes, it is. It’s very name tells its history: Investigation. It was formed by executive order to be the investigative arm of the DOJ. The FBI is not the DOJ, it is the investigative part of it.


16 posted on 07/07/2023 9:47:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Angelino97

At least he was against the PATRIOT act!

Anyone who supported the PATRIOT act has exactly no credibility to EVER complain about government surveillance or intrusion into their finances or communication (and should be impeached and jailed).


17 posted on 07/07/2023 9:58:22 AM PDT by Republican in occupied CA (We had enough government in 1789)
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To: LouAvul

If it isn’t authorized by the Constitution, explicitly and specifically, the federal government shouldn’t be doing it.

If you want abortion, homosexuality, drugs or porn to be regulated, take it up with your statehouse.

The Constitution says nothing about what anyone puts in their body, what the do with their genitals, where or how they get, save, or spend their money, abortion, or what kind of art they create or consume.

If you want to control what others do, for some reason, take it up with your state legislature.


18 posted on 07/07/2023 10:09:37 AM PDT by Republican in occupied CA (We had enough government in 1789)
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To: LouAvul

I see the neoCONs have made an appearance.

Ron Paul was always 100% Pro-Life and against open borders.


19 posted on 07/07/2023 10:26:32 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: LouAvul

That’s clown talk. Did someone tell you all that stupid neocon bs, or did you come up with it on your own?


20 posted on 07/07/2023 11:23:45 AM PDT by Augie
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