I am unable to make that argument, but I have zero problems with leveling all of Gaza and solving this problem once and for all.
I have always tried to answer the question of morality by using the concept that the side with the least morality determines the level of morality both side may use.
Sorry, pro-Palestinian Oxford students never become embarrassed
However, I remember Sir Shawcross was asked about the bombings of Germany and the massive civilian losses. His argument, which I felt then was very compelling and I still do, was based on individual responsibility.
As an individual you are responsible for what your government does. Even if you live under a dictatorship you cannot shirk that responsibility. Either you decide to live under the dictatorship, or you fight it, or you leave the country. You cannot expect members of another nation to protect you from the fallout of a war that the leaders of your country started, whether you condoned it or not.
Now, that does not mean that the Laws of War should be broken. Civilians must be protected as well as possible from military actions, but as we all know, in a real war there will always be civilian casualties (I dislike the term “collateral damage”).
PS: I found an older interview (1976) with Lord Shawcross. At the end of the interview he does address this question. In this interview he is talking of collective responsibility. I think he had allowed his views to mature in the years between the two interviews since I distinctly remember him talking about individual responsibility.
“You can’t, ‘cause they’re dead.” Great response.
Leftists, Islamofascistnazis, etc cannot become, be embarrassed. Without a conscience or a soul, you can savagely kill infants, and then blame it on the infants you just massacred.
One of the more recent videos reveals that as Hamas was entering Israel, Israeli soldiers were not shooting at the Hamas who had no gun. Very soon after, these same Hamas ‘with no guns’ took out knives and machetes to kill infants, women and children.
Religion of peace??
Wouldn’t even work. Millions of people ha e already left. Do you just assumr they’re going to forget?
the student tries to recover from the skepticism generated in the audience from her assertion that more palestinians killed than israelis constitutes Palestinians having the moral upper hand. However, the clip cuts off before she enunciates her response. I would be interested to hear her response.
Shapiro likes debating students but won’t debate any heavyweight competition .
They declared war. IMO, I think limited warfare is a losing game for them. I understand completely the moral dilemma you are pondering.
I think we all are.
We have dumbass Leftists in this country who define someone like Donald Trump as an “existential threat” to our country, which is absolute idiotic stupidity. All it does is tell me that they have no idea what an “existential threat” is.
The Arab world, in this case Hamas and soon Hezbollah, are, and have been, real “existential threats” to Israel.
I support them in whatever they have to do to survive. They have shown repeatedly they can live in peace, but we have also been shown repeatedly, Arabs cannot.
embarrEsses?
“ is it moral to completely defeat Hamas even if it requires massive civilian casualties?”
Yes.
Next question.
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