Posted on 11/18/2023 9:14:38 PM PST by Libloather
” There’s an optimal mix of running and sitting.”
What is optimal?
Here it says more
Emergency wartime?!?
DOE is seeking projects that will:
Construct new commercial-scale facilities or expand existing facilities to create new or additional domestic production capability
Retool or retrofit existing commercial-scale facilities to transition manufacturing from non-heat pump HVAC systems and/or water heating equipment to produce electric heat pump materials, heat pump components, and heat pump systems
Invest in America’s clean energy manufacturing workforce by providing good-paying, union jobs
As the U.S. builds the clean energy economy, developing the workforce to support clean energy technologies will be critical. Recognizing this need, the projects under the funding opportunity may propose using a portion of funding to develop the workforce needed to meet the facilities new or expanded needs.
Concept papers, which are required for all applicants, are due on May 19, 2023, at 5 p.m. ET. Full applications are due on August 1, 2023, at 5 p.m. ET.
https://www.energy.gov/articles/biden-harris-administration-announces-250-million-accelerate-electric-heat-pump
Folks, Everything is BS until proven otherwise.
As part of DOE’s Residential Cold Climate Heat Pump Technology Challenge, the Department today announced Carrier and Trane Technologies as the newest partners to successfully develop a next-generation electric heat pump that can more effectively heat homes in colder climates relative to today’s models. Both companies join Lennox, which was announced earlier this year as the first company with U.S. operations to support this effort and will provide prototypes that will be installed in homes for performance monitoring and testing. Electric heat pumps can provide high-efficiency heating in freezing temperatures while cutting local air pollution and greenhouse gases and potentially saving families $500 a year or more on their utility bills.
But it going to potentially save you $500. But the cost is? So net is?
, by funding nine manufacturing projects with $169 million from last year’s climate bill,
But it is the tip of the iceberg, with much funding from many sources.
From what I have read - in the DailyMail, granted - many in the UK who have had these contraptions forced on them are NOT happy.
Freezing in winter is NOT happy.
Maybe. But he sure puts on a good show of being a doddering dementia case.
> what is optimal
Depends upon what is being optimized. Energy conversion over lifetime doesn’t look good for an engine that’s hardly ever used.
“Energy conversion over lifetime doesn’t look good for an engine that’s hardly ever used.”
We were discussing engine life, not energy conversion.
We were discussing the whole ridiculous picture. You continued to defend the ridiculous configuration. Without any use at all, the engine will need periodic fluids maintenance, and will develop problems after some number of years not an order of magnitude away from 20.
There’s probably an optimal on / off cycle for maximum engine life. That life will be longer than some normal to high number of miles driven in some conditions per time. So the engine can last longer with light use charging a battery. How much longer? How many enging problems have nothing to do with high mileage? In my experience, a significant number.
But we are off track here. You don’t see the facial foolishness of this rig. That is ok with me, but since you won’t budge, we’re done.
You asked what is optimal. I gave one example relating to a gasoline engine. Don’t just be a jerk, if you can help it.
“So the engine can last longer with light use charging a battery.”
I think that was my point!
And my point, beyond the ludicrous and inefficient configuration overall, was that the life of the engine is very finite even in light use, even assuming proper maintenance (will the manufacturer recommend more flexible maint intervals based on hours x amps?), and could even suffer from too little use. We’e seen rubber and plastic parts go bad after a decade. Gaskets, belts, electrical connectors, other.
So if 80% of these engines can run the equivalent of 300,000 highway miles and 20 years at 15,000 miles a year with only normal maintenance, how long do you think they last with a hard-to-define equivalent of 3,000 start-stop miles? 2,000 years? You know that’s wrong. Depending on start-stop cycles and impossible to know engineering mistakes, it could have a shorter life than normal, for all I know. But let’s say it lasts 40 years (outliving how many batteries?). Very little work was done by a very powerful and complex engine. You asked something like “optimize what” but then said you were only mentioning one kind of optimization. You can’t really say both. The value and expense of this fine engine are far from optimized in use here. It’s wasted.
“You asked something like “optimize what” but then said you were only mentioning one kind of optimization. You can’t really say both.”
You totally revise the discussion.
You said there was an optimum run cycle for engine life in years.
I asked what was the optimum cycle.
You answered with something about energy transfer which was totally off subject.
“We’e seen rubber and plastic parts go bad after a decade. Gaskets, belts, electrical connectors, other.”
My wife’s Lexus is now ten years old and has had none of those problems.
She gave her 2007 Toyota to her daughter. Of the above maybe belts have been replaced.
Same with my Mother’s 2002 Infinity now being driven by me wife’s nephew.
“how long do you think they last with a hard-to-define equivalent of 3,000 start-stop miles? 2,000 years? You know that’s wrong.”
I never said. I asked you what was optimum.
OTOH, my neighbor’s 67 Trans Am is still going strong after 60 years.
> 67 Trans Am is still going strong after 60 years
Of course - with maintenance, and possibly a lot of it.
And you know things were made for less planned obsolescence then than they are now.
Electric pickup trucks are idiotic. Including a V6 engine takes the idiocy over the top.
Have the last word. If there’s just one person here who doesn’t see that you’re just argumentative (and obsessed) and, honestly, a troll, that might help them understand.
“Of course - with maintenance, and possibly a lot of it.”
Actually very little Maintenace.
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