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Opinions Sought Concerning Supplements for Treating Long Covid
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Posted on 11/21/2023 2:14:11 PM PST by ducttape45

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To: ducttape45

A couple things; you should be taking roughly 500mg of B3 at the end of 2-3 meals per day. Build up to that amount.

And, you can’t absorb D if you’re low in mag and I’ll guarantee you’re low in mag.


61 posted on 11/21/2023 5:48:16 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: ducttape45
I think the term "long COVID" has changed over time.

Initially, it referred to cases where people didn't recover from COVID-19 symptoms within the normal timeframe for respiratory infections, commonly about two weeks. After two weeks, people were deemed to have "long COVID" and more drastic measures like ventilators were next steps to take.

After awhile, people with "long COVID" were correlated with low levels of the anti-oxidant glutathione. Glutathione is naturally produced in the body, but its production wanes as people get older. The COVID-19 virus spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptors in the endothelial cells, which blocks the body's natural production of glutathione. After two weeks, the body goes into oxidative stress, and the buildup of hydrogen peroxide in the body begins to attack the organs, which leads to organ failure and death. This is what the ventilator treatments were thought to treat.

In hindsight, the solution to glutathione deficiency was a regimen of NAC. NAC is a precursor to the creation of glutathione and survives the body's digestive process. Taking NAC prevents oxidative stress and the resulting organ failure. NAC was a treatment for "long COVID."

Later on, "long COVID" became associated with the long-term effects of COVID-19 after someone fought off the initial infection. Symptoms were dizziness, "foggy" brain, loss of smell, lingering cough or shortness of breath, nausea, and other seemingly unrelated conditions. I'm not aware of a supplement treatment for this, but I admit to not having followed up on this condition.

In short, an initial treatment for COVID-19 is Quercetin + Zinc, vitamin C and Vitamin D to slow down the replication of the virus inside the body. Follow this up with NAC to keep your glutathione levels intact while your body fights off the virus entirely.

-PJ

62 posted on 11/21/2023 5:48:27 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: ducttape45
One other thing...

Another precursor to glutathione is L-Serine.

L-Serine is supposed to be important to the nervous system, neuro-transmitters, and a a protective agent in various neurological diseases and neurodegenerative disorders.

It is an over-the-counter supplement that pairs well with NAC.

L-Serine is also supposed to help with insomnia and relieving nightmare dreams during sleep.

-PJ

63 posted on 11/21/2023 5:54:10 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: spacejunkie2001

My multivitamin has 120 mg of Magnesium, and I am taking 500 mg of Niacin/B3.


64 posted on 11/21/2023 5:55:02 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: ducttape45

you should be on 600-800 mg of mag. seems like a lot but it’s not. also, chances are, the form in your multi does not absorb so it’s essentially fruitless.

Is your B3 niacin or niacinimide? If the latter, it’s the non flushing form and your should be on the former. Personally, I take both forms but I’m on 500mg of niacin (flushing kind) 2x per day


65 posted on 11/21/2023 5:59:25 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: Political Junkie Too
Later on, "long COVID" became associated with the long-term effects of COVID-19 after someone fought off the initial infection. Symptoms were dizziness, "foggy" brain, loss of smell, lingering cough or shortness of breath, nausea, and other seemingly unrelated conditions. I'm not aware of a supplement treatment for this, but I admit to not having followed up on this condition.

That's the category I fall into. After contracting and fighting to get my strength back, I developed Long Covid about 5 months later, and it got worse another 3 months later. That's when the nausea, chronic fatigue really came into play.

In short, an initial treatment for COVID-19 is Quercetin + Zinc, vitamin C and Vitamin D to slow down the replication of the virus inside the body. Follow this up with NAC to keep your glutathione levels intact while your body fights off the virus entirely.

I have not taken Quercetin in quite a while and I was able to tolerate it, along with the Vit C & D and Zinc. The NAC was the supplement that I was not able to tolerate and actually made me feel worse.

66 posted on 11/21/2023 6:00:35 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: spacejunkie2001

Flush-free Niacin Inositol Hexanicotinate, 500 MG by Spring Valley. As for the Magnesium, I can always get more I suppose.


67 posted on 11/21/2023 6:04:52 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: ducttape45

certainly up to you but if you’re looking for relief, what I’m suggesting will offer it.


68 posted on 11/21/2023 6:07:21 PM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: Political Junkie Too

L-Serine - Hmmm, seems I might have had some of that at some time in the past but I don’t any longer.


69 posted on 11/21/2023 6:08:05 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

What is the Zelenko protocol? Do you have a link?


70 posted on 11/21/2023 6:16:01 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: spacejunkie2001
So it looks like this list of supplements is what folks are suggesting I get my hands on: Quercetin + Zinc
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
NAC
L-Serine
Magnesium, 600-800 mg (Magnesium L-theanate)
CoQ10
Niacin/B3 (non-flushable)
B12

That's a LOT of supplements.

71 posted on 11/21/2023 6:22:18 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: ducttape45
Quercetin by itself does nothing (FYI, it occurs in the skins of fruits and vegetables like apples, outer layers of onions, grapes, cherries, and other dark berries). It is a zinc ionophore, meaning that it allows zinc to pass through the cell membrane. It's the zinc that is needed to block the replication of the virus RNA inside the cell.

If you have an intolerance to NAC, it sounds like you are past that treatment anyway. Glutathione production begins to decrease in people over age 65, but it doesn't stop completely. This is why COVID-19 was most damaging to seniors. Their glutathione levels couldn't keep up with how fast the COVID-19 virus replicated inside the body without supplemental support.

Glutathione is naturally produced from eating sulfur-rich foods like broccoli. One alternative to NAC is Sulforaphane, but it is less resistant to the digestive process. An over-the-counter supplement to try instead of NAC is BroccoMax or something in the same class.

Taking sulforaphane and L-Serine might help your long COVID symptoms.

-PJ

72 posted on 11/21/2023 6:26:44 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: ducttape45

You may want to consider taking Glycine & NAC together.


73 posted on 11/21/2023 6:36:27 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: ducttape45

6.25 mcg is nothing.

I take 1000mcg daily. It’s pretty hard to overdose on B12.


74 posted on 11/21/2023 7:06:28 PM PST by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: ducttape45

Do a search for doctors of Traditional Chinese medicine in your area. Find one with at least 15 years of experience, ideally Chinese-trained, and from them, find one which will tell you they use both acupuncture and raw herbs, which are two complementary fields which augment each other. Check Google reviews, and go.

It will take at least two to three months. The changes are agonizingly slow. But unlike with a drug which can take effect with one pill, but then make you even worse when you stop, the changes are more permanent.

Compared to supplements, a good doc of TCM is like the difference between shooting spitballs and a Barret 82A1. Don’t waste your time on weak tea.

Good luck.


75 posted on 11/21/2023 7:08:22 PM PST by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive information - http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/surveillance)
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To: ducttape45

Potential of Black Seeds ( Nigella sativa) in the Management of Long COVID or Post-acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) and Persistent COVID-19 Symptoms - An Insight

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36825730/


76 posted on 11/21/2023 7:25:54 PM PST by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: ducttape45

But you need to get checked out to see what you do have, persevere if necessary! If you can’t work, that is a real problem, and it could possibly be a situation that could be helped easily.


77 posted on 11/21/2023 7:32:29 PM PST by Chicory
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To: CheshireTheCat
6.25 mcg is nothing.
I take 1000mcg daily. It’s pretty hard to overdose on B12.

In what state(s) do you hold a license to practice medicine?

Vitamin B12, along with vitamins A, D, E, and K, are stored in the liver.

Vitamin B12 is metabolized in the liver. What considerations have you provided for the possibility of pre-existing liver dysfunction when you prescribe a dosage more than 350 times the RDA?

78 posted on 11/22/2023 1:37:44 AM PST by NautiNurse (🇺🇸)
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To: ducttape45
That's a LOT of supplements.

You can reduce it down a bit.

  1. Quercetin + Zinc is only really needed once you get COVID-19. The downside of taking it when symptoms arise is that you miss out the 5-day gestation period before symptoms begin to show.
  2. Vitamin C and D3 are good take normally, just for basic good health.
  3. NAC and L-Serine are necessary once you confirm that you have COVID-19. These are the anti-oxidant precursors that will keep your glutathione levels from being depleted. You don't need to take these daily if you don't currently have COVID-19. L-Serine might be something to help the "foggy" brain post-COVID.
  4. Magnesium is probably good to take with the C and D3. The way I figure it, Magnesium is good for the bones, and the bones are where blood is made. COVID-19 attacks the endothelial cells in the blood vessels where the oxygen in the blood cells are passed through into the body.
-PJ
79 posted on 11/22/2023 1:52:22 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You are partially right. I didn’t say they were drugs. I said they are in a world of drugs and many times their interaction with drugs can be fatal.

They are safe enough to not need regulation.

And that ‘s one of the problems with supplements, their reaction is not regulted other than the company who makes them needs to guarenttee their safety which they cannot do in many occassion. And try suing a company in North Korea.

And some of the simplest supplements fall into that situation. According to the Cleveland Clinic, vitmin D when its use in healthy people, moves blood levels higher than 100 nanograms per milliliter can trigger extra calcium absorption — and lead to muscle pain, mood disorders, abdominal pain, and kidney stones. It may also raise the risk of heart attack and stroke.

Another one is St. John’s Wort. The Mayo Clinic found 8 percent of cases when St. John’s wort was used between 1993 and 2010, it was administered in dangerous combinations with antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication, statins, the blood-thinning drug warfarin (Coumadin), or oral contraceptives. For example, combining St. John’s wort with an antidepressant can cause serious complications, including a life-threatening increase in the brain chemical serotonin, according to the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health.

Calcium is essential for a strong skeleton, but as with all nutrients, too much of this mineral may be harmful. As the NIH notes, more than 2,500 mg per day for adults ages 19 to 50, and more than 2,000 mg per day for individuals 51 and over, can lead to problems. With calcium supplements, hardened arteries, or atherosclerosis, and a higher risk of heart disease, are risks according to the Cleveland Clinic.

You might think multivitamins or minerals would be a good supplement. One study published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, which examined data from nearly 40,000 women older than 19 who were part of the Iowa Women’s Health Study, found that, on average, women who took supplements had a higher risk of early death than women who didn’t take supplements. Multivitamins did little or nothing to protect against common cancers, cardiovascular disease, or death.

Kava is an herb that in concentrated forms has been used to treat general anxiety disorder with some success. But taking too much kava, or taking it for too long, has been linked to serious liver damage, including hepatitis, cirrhosis, and liver failure. (NIH)

There are many more problems. Under DSHEA, Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, FDA is not authorized to approve dietary supplements for safety and effectiveness before they are marketed. In fact, in many cases, firms can lawfully introduce dietary supplements to the market without even notifying FDA. So is it safe if it has not been tested enough to determine that? Check your msds’s and you might be surprised how many entries are left either blank or admit they don’t know about the saftey or interactions. Many have caused death.

wy69


80 posted on 11/22/2023 2:24:08 AM PST by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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