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Updates On The March To The Great Green Energy Future
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 12 Jan, 2024 | Francis Menton

Posted on 01/13/2024 4:48:11 AM PST by MtnClimber

The cries of climate alarm get ever louder and more urgent. (E.g., New York Times, January 9, “It’s confirmed: 2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record and perhaps in the last 100,000 years. By far.”). We’re all about to boil! Something must be done!

OK, but then there is the proposed solution: Order up by government fiat that our current fully working and inexpensive energy system must be replaced with a never-demonstrated pipe dream conjured up by political science and gender studies majors who know nothing about how an energy system works. We’re far enough into this by now that some of the pieces are starting to blow up in dramatic fashion. Are we allowed to notice?

Here in New York, we got into this game mainly with two pieces of legislation, both enacted in 2018 — at the state level, the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act; and in the City, Local Law 97. With both laws the pols set the deadlines for compliance at dates seemingly far in the future, expecting that they would no longer be around to be held accountable. The first of those two laws ordered up state-wide mandates for “decarbonizing” the economy, starting with a requirement for 70% of electricity from “renewables” by 2030; and the second set limits for carbon emissions for buildings in New York City, some of which have just kicked in effective January 1, 2024. Sure enough, the Mayor at the time of enactment is gone, almost the entire City Council is gone (term limits), and the Governor at the time is also gone.

So where are we?

The Manhattan Contrarian Energy Storage Report of December 1, 2022, led off by sounding a clear alarm: getting electricity from intermittent wind and solar well past 50% of total generation would require enormous quantities of energy to be stored, with technical requirements, including duration of storage, well beyond the capability of any battery currently existing or likely to be invented any time soon. Essentially, if fossil fuels are to be eliminated, there is only one realistic possibility for meeting the storage requirements: hydrogen.

In mid-2023, the New York Independent System Operator, to its credit, recognized the problem — although it buried that recognition deep in a report when it should be shouting about the problem from the rooftops. From NYISO’s Power Trends 2023 Report, revised August 2023, page 7, starting in the middle of a paragraph and without any emphasis:

[T]o achieve the mandates of the CLCPA, new emission-free generating technologies with the necessary reliability service attributes will be needed to replace the flexible, dispatchable capabilities of fossil fuel generation and sustain production for extended periods of time. Such emission-free technologies, either individually or in aggregate, are not yet available on a commercial scale.

With hydrogen as the only possible such “emissions-free generating technology,” how much would hydrogen cost as the solution to this problem, particularly if one follows the hypothesis that it must be created without any use of fossil fuels? My Report, page 14, noted that existing commercial production of this so-called “green” hydrogen was “negligible,” leaving no good benchmark for understanding what the costs might be. As a substitute, I ran some rough numbers based on cost of wind and solar generators to make the electricity and efficiency of the electrolysis process. The result was a very rough estimate that this “green” hydrogen would cost “somewhere in the range of 5 to 10 times more” than natural gas (page 17).

Well, now some new precision has come into view. In July 2022 the UK government launched what it calls its First Hydrogen Allocation Round (HAR 1), to obtain bids and award contracts to produce this so-called “green” hydrogen using wind power. The process took a while, but here from December 14, 2023 is the announcement of the first round of contract awards. Excerpt:

Following the launch of the first hydrogen allocation round (HAR1) in July 2022, we have selected the successful projects to be offered contracts. We are pleased to announce 11 successful projects, totalling 125MW capacity. HAR1 puts the UK in a leading position internationally: this represents the largest number of commercial scale green hydrogen production projects announced at once anywhere in Europe. . . . The 11 projects have been agreed at a weighted average strike price of £241/MWh.

£241/MWh? At today’s exchange rate of 1.27 $/£, that would be $306/MWh. Prices of natural gas are generally quoted in $/MMBTU rather than per MWh, but here is EIA’s latest Electricity Monthly Update, dated December 21 and covering the month of October 2023. It gives natural gas prices in the per MWh units. The “price of natural gas at New York City” is given as $11.32/MWh. That would make the price that the UK has just agreed to pay to buy this “green” hydrogen stuff approximately 27 times what we can buy natural gas for here in New York to obtain the same energy content.

And that $306/MWh is just for the hydrogen. It includes nothing for the massive new facilities (underground salt caverns?) to store the stuff, for a new pipeline network to transport it, and for a new collection of power plants to burn it.

To be at least a little fair, natural gas prices do vary considerably by location. Even within the U.S., some prices per the EIA Report are about double the New York City price, and in Europe maybe four times the New York City price. But those prices are affected by European demand for LNG from the U.S., due to their own stupid decision to ban fracking for natural gas combined with the unpleasantness in Russia.

And even if you figure that green hydrogen can be produced for “only” 7 - 10 times what it costs to buy natural gas, rather than 25 - 30 times, is anybody really going to go forward with such a project to replace all natural gas in an entire modern economy? It would be completely nuts.

Finally, let’s take a look at how New York is progressing toward that 2030 mandated goal of 70% of electricity from renewables. Data on electricity production for New York State for 2023 are just out from the NYISO. The good people from Nuclear New York (advocates for more nuclear power plants) have compiled the ISO data into a helpful aggregate chart covering the years 2019 (immediately after enactment of the Climate Change Act) to 2023. Here is the chart:

Out of 152.3 TWh of electricity produced or imported in 2023, fossil fuels continued to provide 63.3 TWh (41.5%). Most of the imports (14.5%) are undoubtedly from fossil fuels as well. Wind/solar/other provided just 12.1 TWh, or 7.9% of the total, barely up from about 6% in 2019. And that’s now suddenly going to go to 70% by 2030? Ridiculous. Meanwhile, the big story leaps off the page, as the Nuclear New York guys emphasize in the headline. The State forced the premature closure of two nuclear plants in 2020 and 2021, which caused the (carbon free) nuclear share of the total to drop from about 29% to only 18%; and almost all of that was taken up by two new natural gas plants, causing the fossil fuel share of the total to soar from only 34% to 41.5%. No person looking at this chart would ever conclude that New York has spent the past five years embarked on a crash program to replace fossil fuels with wind and solar. That process is going absolutely nowhere.

The truth is that the march to the Great Green Energy Future is over, but no one is yet willing to admit that.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; fraud; graft; greenenergy; scam

1 posted on 01/13/2024 4:48:11 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber
The climate is always changing:

I don't see any deviation that could be blamed on people:


2 posted on 01/13/2024 4:48:22 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: StAntKnee

Manhattan Contrarian ping


3 posted on 01/13/2024 4:49:10 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MtnClimber
...starting with a requirement for 70% of electricity from “renewables” by 2030

That goal has been met and blown away. Crude oil IS renewable. Make the watermelons prove that it isn't.

4 posted on 01/13/2024 4:53:29 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Truth is like a lion. You don't need to defend it. Let it loose and it will defend itself.)
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To: MtnClimber
Hottest year in 100,000 years?

Well, duh. Lot's of insane hubris in that statement there

Not the least....uh, 100,000 years ago it was like the ice age, dude.

Ice age ended 10,000 years ago, and before that the world was covered by ice sheets a mile or so thick.

Sometimes, global warming is your friend.

These moronic propagandists are completely untethered by facts, reality, rational thought or history.

Which begs the issue - in worst case would you rather have NYC with a shoreline 18 inches higher or have the entire city buried under glacier a mile thick.

5 posted on 01/13/2024 5:06:30 AM PST by rdcbn1
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To: rdcbn1

The left has broken the restrictive bondage of reality.


6 posted on 01/13/2024 5:11:14 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MtnClimber

On the other hand, I’m thinking NYC under a mile or so of ice might not be such a bad thing at this point.


7 posted on 01/13/2024 5:13:20 AM PST by rdcbn1
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To: MtnClimber

Even if you could make hydrogen storage work, there are two huge problems:
1. It leaks through everything. It is very hard and expensive to produce rotating shaft seals that will contain hydrogen. Right now, the greeniacs are on a crusade to reduce methane (natural gas) leakage from pipelines and compressors. The problem will be orders of magnitude worse for hydrogen. How long before the greeniacs began gnashing teen and howling about the leakage of millions of tons of hydrogen into the atmosphere?

2. It requires a LOT of energy to transform “green” solar and windmill power into hydrogen. So you need vastly more windmills and solar cells to run the conversion processes. That makes hydrogen storage extremely expensive as this article points out. I’d like to see a comparison of two alternatives for “green”: 1) the number and cost of conventional natural gas generators needed to back up in dark, windless days and 2) the number and cost of additional “green” generators needed to transform power to hydrogen.


8 posted on 01/13/2024 5:18:59 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: MtnClimber

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9 posted on 01/13/2024 5:20:25 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: MtnClimber

He mentions the pipelines. A friend of mine was a pipefitter. He was on a job at Ford Motor Company 15-20 years ago running pipe for some sort of Hydrogen facility. I recall him telling me that the pipes were some special alloy of stainless steel and harder to work with to get absolute perfect seals.

He was on that job for at least a couple years just for one plant.


10 posted on 01/13/2024 5:56:12 AM PST by cyclotic (Don’t be part of the problem. Be the entire problem)
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To: MtnClimber

Otherwise known as ‘the great climate hoax for grifters’.


11 posted on 01/13/2024 6:01:29 AM PST by Boomer (The Long Winter is coming...)
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To: MtnClimber

The Greens are marching toward the Great Green Energy Future, and they are goose-stepping in perfect coordination as they go.


12 posted on 01/13/2024 6:07:32 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "democracy" like trying to throw your opponent in jail.)
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To: MtnClimber; StAntKnee
From the Dept of Energy PR machine:

January 11, 2024

Biden-Harris Administration Announces $623 Million in Grants to Continue Building Out Electric Vehicle Charging Network

Under President Biden’s leadership, EV sales have more than quadrupled, the number of publicly available charging ports has grown by nearly 70 percent, and more than 4 million EVs are now on the road. Spurred by the President’s historic investments, private companies have announced more than $155 billion in the EV and battery supply chain under the Biden-Harris Administration. EVs are critical to our rapid and equitable transition to clean transportation systems, producing zero tailpipe emissions, reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions—major contributors to climate change and key contributors to respiratory ailments.

The grants announced today are made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law’s $2.5 billion Charging and Fueling Infrastructure (CFI) Discretionary Grant Program, a competitive funding program, and will fund 47 EV charging and alternative-fueling infrastructure projects in 22 states and Puerto Rico, including construction of approximately 7,500 EV charging ports.

$15 million to the County of Contra Costa in California to build a total of 52 fast chargers and 60 Level 2 chargers at 15 branch locations of the county’s library system.

$15 million to Energy Northwest, a joint operating agency in Washington State, to install 40 fast chargers and 12 Level 2 chargers across western Washington State and northern Oregon. The project will provide EV access to largely rural and disadvantaged communities, including on Indigenous Tribal lands.

$12 million to the City of Mesa, Arizona, to build 48 electric vehicle chargers for a variety of vehicle sizes, charging docks for e-bikes and e-scooters, and solar canopies to support electricity generation at the stations.

$1.4 million to the Chilkoot Indian Association, an Alaska Native Tribe, to build an EV charging station in Haines, AK, a rural and disadvantaged community where there are no publicly available EV charging stations.

It's not expensive when you are not spending your money ... and this wasn't all of the $623 million.

Payoffs, anyone?

13 posted on 01/13/2024 6:09:59 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: MtnClimber

Green now means Scam


14 posted on 01/13/2024 6:32:35 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: MtnClimber
2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record and perhaps in the last 100,000 years.

Go back 150 ka then (cf. Fig. 1 in post 2)

15 posted on 01/13/2024 6:52:33 AM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: MtnClimber

Bookmark


16 posted on 01/13/2024 10:59:14 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: MtnClimber

I get that he concedes the NYSlimes claim about “hottest year in 100,000 years” in order to make his point about the ludicrosity of the proposed “green” solutions... but he needn’t concede the lie about “hottest year.”

Nevertheless, here for a similar approach from https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/01/05/rising-maximum-temperatures/ of taking the Left at its word and banging out reality.


17 posted on 01/13/2024 2:59:10 PM PST by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: MtnClimber
Nonsense. There is no need to generate hydrogen by electrolysis. We are going to drill for it. Didn't you know that? /s

In my more than 40 years as a petroleum engineer drilling wells across the globe I never once drilled a well that encountered hydrogen. Helium yes, hydrogen no. Not even the possibility of encountering hydrogen ever came up.

The only place we ever found hydrogen was when Halliburton had a brain fart to use it to expand cement and didn't tell us their secret ingredient. The flame propagation velocity of hydrogen is very high and so when we ignited it in the blooey line it quickly came right back to the rotary table and blew the rotary head and bushings out.

I see that PT Barnum's across the world, at least in the US, are lining up like hogs to a trough to promote subsidized hydrogen exploration.

I wonder how much money will be wasted on this and other ill-conceived green junk before a halt is called?

Meanwhile, tonight, it is 5 degrees and the heat pumps are going full tilt. I hope the power holds out for four more nights of this. Rooting for Southwest Power Pool to keep the amps flowing. The spot purchase cost will be horrible though if they can get the power.

This night is similar to the time I flew through Fairbanks on a new 777. We had a long stop but stayed on the airplane. It was the first time I experienced cold like that. It was like a creature crawling through every opening and along the floors. That is what is happening tonight about 4 to 6" of cold along the floors. The amount of heat the engines pump back into the aircraft in flight is immense.

18 posted on 01/14/2024 1:30:13 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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